jubilation_t_cornpone: Why do people have such a hard time figuring out rule 8? It says "topless males" right there in the rule. Do people not see the topless male? There are sixty pics on a page, so hitcount<60 is less than a page.
jubilation_t_cornpone: Sintime, some of your pics don't meet even the qualifications for rule8, such as the one I just deleted. If you look at the rule, it says LOTS of cleavage. The one you just posted had a tiny amount showing, and her hand was partially covering even that.
It's a judgment call, and sometimes the judgment goes against you. You'll just have to expect that with rule 8.
Sintime: You're stating rule 8? Where does it also say that rule 8 images get deleted after a full page of porn of it is listed? You seem to keep repeating that and I haven't seen it anywhere and it wasn't rule 8, it was clever censoring as she was still nude.
If it was rule 8 I would have said so, and sometimes someones judgement can be flawed heavily, like in this case.
jubilation_t_cornpone: "Where does it also say that rule 8 images get deleted after a full page of porn of it is listed?"
"8. If there is under 1 full page of "real" porn of a character, then "soft" porn is allowed until there is enough "real" porn. By "soft", I mean ecchi, topless men, lots of cleavage, etc. "
Do you know what "until" means? When there is a full page, the pic isn't allowed any more. Therefore it is deleted.
"If it was rule 8 I would have said so, and sometimes someones judgement can be flawed heavily, like in this case."
And your assessment of it being flawed is based on your own judgment. Which of course cannot possibly be flawed, as we all know.
jubilation_t_cornpone: Also, we may not be talking about the same pic. The one I just deleted had no nudity whatsoever. She was fully clothed, with just a small amount of cleavage.
Sintime: I hate arguing and yes, you're most likely Ys6321 you're even opening your sentences with huge 'LOL's like on the monster hunter pic when you stated reading made you tired >>769774
Sintime: @Jubilation Until A full page, would be silly as it would be in a constant basis of uploading rule 8 images and then they becoming deleted, Until means that after a full page of that character is uploaded then afterwards rule 8 doesn't apply, I'm sure it means that all images uploaded on the first page that fall within rule 8 stay, else the image count of a character that falls within rule 8 would never rise enough to exclude rule 8.
Sintime: Also taking into past actions of admins here, RULE 8 images stayed on the site for years after the character had more than 1 page, as long as it was within that first page.
In the beginning, with a count < 60, there would be a mixture of porn and rule8 images.
When the count reaches 60, ONE of the rule8 pics would be deleted. The count would then be 59 and the other rule8 pics could stay. For the time being.
Add another real porn pic. Same thing happens again. Note that you CAN'T add another rule8 pic when the count is 59 because that would take it above the threshhold.
Repeat until ALL of the rule8 pics have been deleted. From that point on the count would always be >59 and there would be no more rule8 pics for that character.
jubilation_t_cornpone: "Also taking into past actions of admins here, RULE 8 images stayed on the site for years after the character had more than 1 page, as long as it was within that first page."
Do you think the admins have the time and energy to scan every one of the 700000+ pics on this site on a daily basis? How do you propose we FIND rule8 images, since rule8 exists on a tag by tag basis? You basically have to do a separate search of EVERY SINGLE CHARACTER ON THE SITE.
We delete formerly-rule8-but-no-longer pics as we come across them or as someone reports them.
If this is an issue for you, why don't you find all of them for us and report them? I guarantee I will delete pics if the count of all characters is >59.
Sintime: Again, Jubilation where does it say that in the rule section of faq that rule 8 images are deleted accorinding to your logic? That's all I'm asking, because I haven't seen it anywhere, or anyone else say that.
jubilation_t_cornpone: The logic is that rule8 images are deleted when the count is one page or greater. The actual deletion algorithm depends entirely on when individual admins are made aware of the pic.
The existence of rule8 pics in the first page (I assume you mean the last displayed, since those were the first uploaded) is simply because older pics aren't looked at as often as new pics. Again, the pics have to be FOUND to be deleted.
Sintime: Going on what's written down in the Faq and rule section, rule 8 images are allowed until 1 page, then only after are they not Ok to post, still what I'm asking is, who or where does it say the previously uploaded ones are to be deleted that fall within that 1 page, there's no clarification on it, and I haven't heard Titanium state what you are now stating, ever.
jubilation_t_cornpone: It is talking about an AMOUNT (one page), not a particular page number. Unless someone is watching the counts for every character on the site on a continuous pic-by-pic basis, the number of pics for the character will go above one page with rule8 pics still present. And rule8 pics can be added long after that time. So all of the rule8 pics are not necessarily on the "first" page.
In a perfect world, rule8 pics WOULD always be in the "first" page. But people often fail to report rule8 pics that have gone over the limit, because they don't pay attention or they like them anyway or they simply don't like rule 8.
Look, it's really pretty simple:
1. I see a pic or someone points it out to me; it could be old or new or in between
2. it is not porn but qualifies for rule 8
3. I look at the hit counts.
4. all characters have a count>59
5. delete
Why is that so difficult to understand? More importantly, how does it conflict with the literal rule 8?
If you want us to do a better job of cleaning out rule8 pics that should be deleted, YOU should do a better job of reporting them.
I often delete pics I have uploaded myself. They were rule8 at the time I posted them but they lost their rule 8 status later. Gone.
Sure, I wasn't paying attention when the threshhold was crossed. Do you look at every one of your pics every hour of every single day?
Sintime: It really seems you're just making up things and applying your own judgement to it, as you keep avoiding my initial question and saying everything else except what I'm asking.
JWN926: Actually adding a rule 8 image would made it exactly 60/1 page, I usually start marking images when they reach a count of 61, and even then I try to make sure I mark one that can be considered the worst of the lot. Also, as to where it specifically says they'll be deleted, it doesn't.
But with the wording: '..."soft" porn is allowed until there is enough real porn.' That would mean over 60 is not allowed.
jubilation_t_cornpone: Exactly. Rule8 images not allowed above 59, but they may exist. The rule cannot prevent people from uploading them. We will delete every one that is brought to our attention, until the count returns to 59.
jubilation_t_cornpone: "It really seems you're just making up things and applying your own judgement to it, as you keep avoiding my initial question and saying everything else except what I'm asking."
My policy corresponds to the goal of rule8 exactly.
Explain exactly how YOU would implement rule8 if you were an admin.
Sintime: I'm saying what JWN926 is saying, that's what I've been saying all along, previously uploaded rule 8 images under the full page count were allowed to stay, as so far I thought, and it hasn't been stated by anyone except you, that the previous ones under 1 page are deleted after the image count rises above 60.
Sintime: The rule 8 images are actually the better quality images on the site ... the artist has to do more than OH LOOK SEX, ASS, PUSSY, W/E to get acknoweldgement and has to actually put more effort into the picture over all, I actually look at the entire image of whatever I see, instead of just that.
You seem to think the earliest rule8 pics have "earned their way" or something, and should not be deleted retroactively.
Since you think the quality matters in this argument, what if the rule8 pics in the first page are the shittiest and all of the ones since then have been awesome?
The only reason rule8 exists is that there need to be SOME pictures of a character. This site is for porn (it's even in the definition of "rule 34"), but we accept less-than-porn temporarily until there is real porn. Once there is real porn, what would be the REASON for keeping ANY of the less-than-porn? To avoid offending the characters? It no longer serves a purpose when we have plenty of real porn.
Personally, I wish rule 8 would go away, just to avoid the extra work and hassle. Or that soft porn was simply allowed. But the rule is there and this is the way I read the intent.
Sintime: I am thinking it through, I'm not making up things and still going by what's written down in the Faq and Help sections, as what's listed by Titanium, rule 8 images were intended to stay only during the first page then after they were disallowed. I'm not making up my own interpretation and going with it. You still haven't even mentioned anything about what's actually in the rule section, other than what you personally think, or is it just this site being inconsistent with itself again?
Not_Porn and rule_8 images should Never be featured then if that was the intent, because they would be removed, and I've seen rule 8 images get locked.
The thing is you seem to want to think whatever think is automatically correct despite what's written down in the rule section. What's said isn't exactly credible as to what's written in down, anyone can say anything. There should be some better witten guidelines other than what someone thinks on a "whim" without anything to really back up it other than personal opinions.
Sintime: Oh and the reason I don't report any images anymore because someone might ban you for forgetting to add the entire tags to an image while putting in deleteme or something, may as well avoid that entire drama.
jubilation_t_cornpone: No one gets reprimanded for that. They get reprimanded for removing existing tags when setting deleteme. When you do that, it removes the hit counts and we cannot even CHECK for rule8. We then have to revert the tags. deleteme is to be ADDED, and the existing tags left alone.
Sintime: So it's personal preference? I always image link whatever I set deleteme on and 70 percent of the time I only report an image I myself have uploaded because it was within a few hours of another upload and a duplicate, usually the images should be beside each other even. lets see from previous experience:
image linked the image.
You can still see previous tags,
images right beside each other,
Out of so many images someone is bound to make mistakes from time to time, it would be good to consider that.
No offense it just seems you complaining about the extra ammount of work, I can understand it would be easier on you, but punishing someone for contributing to the site is beyond silly.
I can understand if someone deliberately changed tags, reported things for no reason, and just was out to cause havoc, but that's not the case.
Tumor: I'm sorry, a topless picture of Kenshiro qualifies as a rule 8 ruling?
The man is topless for a good 40% of the entire comic, can I just start posting pages?
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I don't know if this will end up in sex, or some crazy FotNS fighting fury.
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Stay tuned.
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His three scars remind of Marky Mark's three nipples, so, you know.
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It's a judgment call, and sometimes the judgment goes against you. You'll just have to expect that with rule 8.
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If it was rule 8 I would have said so, and sometimes someones judgement can be flawed heavily, like in this case.
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"8. If there is under 1 full page of "real" porn of a character, then "soft" porn is allowed until there is enough "real" porn. By "soft", I mean ecchi, topless men, lots of cleavage, etc. "
Do you know what "until" means? When there is a full page, the pic isn't allowed any more. Therefore it is deleted.
"If it was rule 8 I would have said so, and sometimes someones judgement can be flawed heavily, like in this case."
And your assessment of it being flawed is based on your own judgment. Which of course cannot possibly be flawed, as we all know.
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When two of them look each other.
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In the beginning, with a count < 60, there would be a mixture of porn and rule8 images.
When the count reaches 60, ONE of the rule8 pics would be deleted. The count would then be 59 and the other rule8 pics could stay. For the time being.
Add another real porn pic. Same thing happens again. Note that you CAN'T add another rule8 pic when the count is 59 because that would take it above the threshhold.
Repeat until ALL of the rule8 pics have been deleted. From that point on the count would always be >59 and there would be no more rule8 pics for that character.
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Do you think the admins have the time and energy to scan every one of the 700000+ pics on this site on a daily basis? How do you propose we FIND rule8 images, since rule8 exists on a tag by tag basis? You basically have to do a separate search of EVERY SINGLE CHARACTER ON THE SITE.
We delete formerly-rule8-but-no-longer pics as we come across them or as someone reports them.
If this is an issue for you, why don't you find all of them for us and report them? I guarantee I will delete pics if the count of all characters is >59.
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The existence of rule8 pics in the first page (I assume you mean the last displayed, since those were the first uploaded) is simply because older pics aren't looked at as often as new pics. Again, the pics have to be FOUND to be deleted.
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In a perfect world, rule8 pics WOULD always be in the "first" page. But people often fail to report rule8 pics that have gone over the limit, because they don't pay attention or they like them anyway or they simply don't like rule 8.
Look, it's really pretty simple:
1. I see a pic or someone points it out to me; it could be old or new or in between
2. it is not porn but qualifies for rule 8
3. I look at the hit counts.
4. all characters have a count>59
5. delete
Why is that so difficult to understand? More importantly, how does it conflict with the literal rule 8?
If you want us to do a better job of cleaning out rule8 pics that should be deleted, YOU should do a better job of reporting them.
I often delete pics I have uploaded myself. They were rule8 at the time I posted them but they lost their rule 8 status later. Gone.
Sure, I wasn't paying attention when the threshhold was crossed. Do you look at every one of your pics every hour of every single day?
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But with the wording: '..."soft" porn is allowed until there is enough real porn.' That would mean over 60 is not allowed.
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My policy corresponds to the goal of rule8 exactly.
Explain exactly how YOU would implement rule8 if you were an admin.
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You seem to think the earliest rule8 pics have "earned their way" or something, and should not be deleted retroactively.
Since you think the quality matters in this argument, what if the rule8 pics in the first page are the shittiest and all of the ones since then have been awesome?
The only reason rule8 exists is that there need to be SOME pictures of a character. This site is for porn (it's even in the definition of "rule 34"), but we accept less-than-porn temporarily until there is real porn. Once there is real porn, what would be the REASON for keeping ANY of the less-than-porn? To avoid offending the characters? It no longer serves a purpose when we have plenty of real porn.
Personally, I wish rule 8 would go away, just to avoid the extra work and hassle. Or that soft porn was simply allowed. But the rule is there and this is the way I read the intent.
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Not_Porn and rule_8 images should Never be featured then if that was the intent, because they would be removed, and I've seen rule 8 images get locked.
The thing is you seem to want to think whatever think is automatically correct despite what's written down in the rule section. What's said isn't exactly credible as to what's written in down, anyone can say anything. There should be some better witten guidelines other than what someone thinks on a "whim" without anything to really back up it other than personal opinions.
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image linked the image.
You can still see previous tags,
images right beside each other,
Out of so many images someone is bound to make mistakes from time to time, it would be good to consider that.
No offense it just seems you complaining about the extra ammount of work, I can understand it would be easier on you, but punishing someone for contributing to the site is beyond silly.
I can understand if someone deliberately changed tags, reported things for no reason, and just was out to cause havoc, but that's not the case.
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Therefore people should not be using the "deleteme" tag at all, and should simply use image report all the time.
Therefore the tags should be left alone when reporting images.
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The man is topless for a good 40% of the entire comic, can I just start posting pages?