Anonymous7(1): @Anonymous: nonsense, offsprings are perfectly okay in the first generations of incest. its only trough repeated generations that it becomes problematic. not first timers.
Inocencius: For moral reasons, sexual relations between family members on equal terms such as cousins and siblings are not enough. It is inevitable that incestuous marriages are also postulated.
Crimson-Snow: @Anonymous: Exactly and in all honesty if two people want to bring a baby into the world and love and care for that child then I'm fine with it no matter what. Also I think incestuous marriages and all that sort of thing should be legal and it should just be totally legal. It can be such a beautiful thing and it's no different or in anyway better or worse than more accepted sexual acts. People need to just let people make each other feel good and love and make love.
Anonymous8: @samuraiidiot: This guy thinks that incest will cause horrid transformations despite it taking several acts of continual inbreeding to have any effects. It also ignores that if it is amoung two consensual related people by the roughly same age group, that if they ever wanted to have kids, that within the next 30-100 years, we would probably develop science to the point where dangerous inbreeding would no longer be a risk.
The real danger is young people being taken advantage of by older relatives.
Which is not what I, nor what most people advocate for.
Crimson-Snow: @Anonymous: Yes exactly , although I think the whole taken advantage of thing is complicated. Hear me out though I know there are cases of horrible and awful abuse and I personally have known 3 people who were abused but I've also known 3 other people who did not think of themselves as abused.
I'll elaborate I personally know all 6 of these people and the 3 with what thy consider positive experiences have no relation to each other but the 2 out of 3 of the negative experiences were abused by the same person and the other was someone else I knew. The 3 that have good memories ect are people I met much later in life and one of them even ended up living with and loving her so called abuser.
That girl had had a secret relationship with her father since a young age and though she admits she at first only went along with it because she wanted to make him happy she began to fall in love with him. It was after her mother had died and her father was very weak and things just ended up happening. She's told me of how they would lat together hugging for hours after passionate sex and he would cry because he felt like he shouldn't be doing that to her.
By the time I met her she was in her mid twenties and was living with him as a couple although this was unbeknownst to most others. I eventually talked to him and I ended up realizing he truly did love her. He had always cared for her and they had grown to have a love that took down the walls and boundaries we place on our relationships. Even now they are still together actually.
I want to add that the other girl I knew who went through this sort of thing was someone who used to do sexual things with her teacher. She never considered it a bad thing despite that it started when she was in kindergarten with him making her give him blowjobs. Look all i'm trying to say is while there are cases of abuse and truly evil cruel people there are also beautiful human beings who never hurt anyone and just made each other feel good.
Anonymous9: @Crimson-Snow: WTF did I just read? Can't tell if trolling or just really stupid or very desperate to justify fathers fucking their young children.
Well sorry Fritzel, it was not very effective. Go back to your Nambla buddies.
Anonymous10: @Crimson-Snow: Hope that the cops have an eye on this one, that there are no unsupervised kids in the neighbourhood and that he never procreates.
Anonymous11(9): @Anonymous: Always remember, get them when they are too young to really know what is going on, and brainwash them using the trust they have in you while they grow up until their perception of what is a healthy relationship is so warped they don't even know what is going on anymore and they just accept it.
It's totally not cruel abuse you guyyzzz.
Fuck off Crimson-Snow. Not that I believe that somebody actually told you that crap, but I think you really think that that is not abuse for some reason and it is vomit inducing. It's like the best case scenario all the creeps with the vans and uncle touchys wish for.
Thank good most of the time, the victims know they are abused and scum like you and them gets to jail to get their asshole buggered by Bubba.
Anonymous12: @Crimson-Snow: The whole taking advantage thing is not complicated. They are children, trusting their father. What you describe is a textbook case of taking advantage of.
Your desperate and frankly pathetic try to frame that different sure is telling.
Inocencius: I believe that sexual relations between relatives in a condition of dependence and subordination, such as parents, grandparents, uncles, both in kinship and affinity cannot be subscribed. The reason? Although there are cases of a parent / child relationship (and other grades), the relationship between a father and his son is not merely legal or natural, it is ethical. Relatives with whom they maintain a relationship of subordination and dependence have the greatest inequality in terms of rank. For this ethical reason, and not for age, consent or genetic implications, I consider that marriage and therefore, sexual relations in this type of relatives are not permissible.
In the case of brothers and cousins, the question is different. Brothers and cousins are in equal condition. Two brothers or two cousins who, with the age of majority and consent, wish to have sex, can perfectly do so. The only thing wrong here would be to have sex without getting married. As well as heterosexual, homosexual and polyamorous future marriages, lawmakers from different countries must also consider incestuous marriages in relatives on an equal basis.
The genetic argument is actually inefficient. While the chances of birth defects are higher, that does not necessarily mean that two brothers or two cousins want to have children. To deny them that possibility is to attempt against reproductive freedom, because if so, then it would also be necessary to deny people with unrelated disabilities to bring offspring. And that seems unlikely.
Now, it's not about forcing brothers or cousins who have been raised together to get married, that's immoral. Normally these cases occur because they were not raised together. Allowing this type of sexual relations and practices between siblings is something that nature authorizes; but that does not favor. That is why they are rare, rare cases, but that does not imply that they are immoral as long as it is in love, respect, consent and freedom together.
Allowing such relationships and sexual practices does not indicate the end of time, it is just what needs to be done.
Crimson-Snow: @Anonymous: Look whether or not you believe me is irrelevant because I know who I know and yes as I've said I also know people who were terribly terribly abused to the point where one of them has zero interest in sex and can't have children. Even so I also know the other girl who to this day loves her father as a father and as a man.
Look assholes the only thing that was ever wrong was to knowingly cause harm with the sole intent of doing so. Cruelty is wrong but to yearn for someone is not wrong. I'm not saying that what I talk about should be the norm but i'm damn well saying that not all these people you so readily hate are not these inhuman monsters you think them to be.
Anonymous14: @Crimson-Snow: I don't care if fully grow adults want to fuck each other despite family relations, or similar aged siblings or cousins or whatever experiment with their bodies, but a adult\child relation is always wrong and to the detriment to the child.
You don't seem to grasp that their intention does not matter one bit. It is not only about what they intent to do, it's about what they actually do and how it affects the child. They warp their trusting, imprintable, naive children to satisfy a desire children don't understand or have in the same way as adults, selfishly and without thinking about the consequences that may have for the child.
All these cases are abuse at the detriment of those in their care. Those they should enable to grow up to have a normal life, and not risk all that because their cock "yearns" for it at the moment.
It's mind baffeling that you don't see this. But really telling.
I don't believe you know 6 abuse victims personaly, who have all confined in you something a lot of people don't manage tell anyone outside their support groups their whole life in detail, and conveniently give you all the different shaded examples you can use to try to rationalize your wank fantasies as something that should be emulated in real life. Because I live in the real world (mostly), and I notice bullshit when I see it.
That you don't see that what you are defending IS abuse sure is telling, and sure tells you don't give a fuck about the children. You just sound like every other paedophile who puts his needs to get off over the chance of a child for a normal development and the ability to have a normal life and tries to pass this off as something it is not.
And no amount of strawman arguments, dramatic wording, kitch or all the other desperate shit you try to pull changes that. If you really tried to look into this kind of stuff you would look into scientific literature, case studies and experts on that matter, which don't have 6 "testimonials" but hundreds.
But either you have already, or you know the vast majority of them, if not basically all, tell you, what you claim is bullshit and it is legally and factually abuse of a child and should be treated as such. And no, that some lifes are superficially less affected than others changes nothing. Neither does the intention to do harm.
Don't bother to respond, my field of study puts me in contact with victims and perpetrators, I heard it all before.
If you ever seriously think about doing what you describe here, don't and seek help.
Anonymous15: Can we all just enjoy how beautiful of a piece this is?
When it comes to Mabel X Dipper there are good pieces and bad pieces,
but such combination of wholesome and quality isn't common and I truly appreciate it.
I hope y'all do. Debating's good and all... but this is dope, man.
Anonymous16: "Healthy relationships" are something invented by society. It doesn't exist in nature. 18's also an arbitrary number. If you want to be "objective" you should be advocating for the age of consent to be raised to 25.
so mabel and dipper would be A-OK
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The real danger is young people being taken advantage of by older relatives.
Which is not what I, nor what most people advocate for.
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I'll elaborate I personally know all 6 of these people and the 3 with what thy consider positive experiences have no relation to each other but the 2 out of 3 of the negative experiences were abused by the same person and the other was someone else I knew. The 3 that have good memories ect are people I met much later in life and one of them even ended up living with and loving her so called abuser.
That girl had had a secret relationship with her father since a young age and though she admits she at first only went along with it because she wanted to make him happy she began to fall in love with him. It was after her mother had died and her father was very weak and things just ended up happening. She's told me of how they would lat together hugging for hours after passionate sex and he would cry because he felt like he shouldn't be doing that to her.
By the time I met her she was in her mid twenties and was living with him as a couple although this was unbeknownst to most others. I eventually talked to him and I ended up realizing he truly did love her. He had always cared for her and they had grown to have a love that took down the walls and boundaries we place on our relationships. Even now they are still together actually.
I want to add that the other girl I knew who went through this sort of thing was someone who used to do sexual things with her teacher. She never considered it a bad thing despite that it started when she was in kindergarten with him making her give him blowjobs. Look all i'm trying to say is while there are cases of abuse and truly evil cruel people there are also beautiful human beings who never hurt anyone and just made each other feel good.
Well sorry Fritzel, it was not very effective. Go back to your Nambla buddies.
Disgusting fucker.
It's totally not cruel abuse you guyyzzz.
Fuck off Crimson-Snow. Not that I believe that somebody actually told you that crap, but I think you really think that that is not abuse for some reason and it is vomit inducing. It's like the best case scenario all the creeps with the vans and uncle touchys wish for.
Thank good most of the time, the victims know they are abused and scum like you and them gets to jail to get their asshole buggered by Bubba.
Your desperate and frankly pathetic try to frame that different sure is telling.
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In the case of brothers and cousins, the question is different. Brothers and cousins are in equal condition. Two brothers or two cousins who, with the age of majority and consent, wish to have sex, can perfectly do so. The only thing wrong here would be to have sex without getting married. As well as heterosexual, homosexual and polyamorous future marriages, lawmakers from different countries must also consider incestuous marriages in relatives on an equal basis.
The genetic argument is actually inefficient. While the chances of birth defects are higher, that does not necessarily mean that two brothers or two cousins want to have children. To deny them that possibility is to attempt against reproductive freedom, because if so, then it would also be necessary to deny people with unrelated disabilities to bring offspring. And that seems unlikely.
Now, it's not about forcing brothers or cousins who have been raised together to get married, that's immoral. Normally these cases occur because they were not raised together. Allowing this type of sexual relations and practices between siblings is something that nature authorizes; but that does not favor. That is why they are rare, rare cases, but that does not imply that they are immoral as long as it is in love, respect, consent and freedom together.
Allowing such relationships and sexual practices does not indicate the end of time, it is just what needs to be done.
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Look assholes the only thing that was ever wrong was to knowingly cause harm with the sole intent of doing so. Cruelty is wrong but to yearn for someone is not wrong. I'm not saying that what I talk about should be the norm but i'm damn well saying that not all these people you so readily hate are not these inhuman monsters you think them to be.
You don't seem to grasp that their intention does not matter one bit. It is not only about what they intent to do, it's about what they actually do and how it affects the child. They warp their trusting, imprintable, naive children to satisfy a desire children don't understand or have in the same way as adults, selfishly and without thinking about the consequences that may have for the child.
All these cases are abuse at the detriment of those in their care. Those they should enable to grow up to have a normal life, and not risk all that because their cock "yearns" for it at the moment.
It's mind baffeling that you don't see this. But really telling.
I don't believe you know 6 abuse victims personaly, who have all confined in you something a lot of people don't manage tell anyone outside their support groups their whole life in detail, and conveniently give you all the different shaded examples you can use to try to rationalize your wank fantasies as something that should be emulated in real life. Because I live in the real world (mostly), and I notice bullshit when I see it.
That you don't see that what you are defending IS abuse sure is telling, and sure tells you don't give a fuck about the children. You just sound like every other paedophile who puts his needs to get off over the chance of a child for a normal development and the ability to have a normal life and tries to pass this off as something it is not.
And no amount of strawman arguments, dramatic wording, kitch or all the other desperate shit you try to pull changes that. If you really tried to look into this kind of stuff you would look into scientific literature, case studies and experts on that matter, which don't have 6 "testimonials" but hundreds.
But either you have already, or you know the vast majority of them, if not basically all, tell you, what you claim is bullshit and it is legally and factually abuse of a child and should be treated as such. And no, that some lifes are superficially less affected than others changes nothing. Neither does the intention to do harm.
Don't bother to respond, my field of study puts me in contact with victims and perpetrators, I heard it all before.
If you ever seriously think about doing what you describe here, don't and seek help.
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When it comes to Mabel X Dipper there are good pieces and bad pieces,
but such combination of wholesome and quality isn't common and I truly appreciate it.
I hope y'all do. Debating's good and all... but this is dope, man.