Executioner: Why we hate her because she's a shallow self centered princessy bitch who gets praise from the in universe characters and is archie's personal pet/fan character mary sue who also gets the plot bent around her, pushing away the actual Sonic Team characters and making others do random heel face turns such as Fiona all so she can get some blue penis.
Anonymous3: wait... ARCHIE's pet/fan character? hey dumbass, she appeared in the SATAM cartoon BEFORE archie comics and in sonic spinball, so uh... guess you're wrong. second all the praise really? when she defended nicole in an issue she got a whole shitstorm thrown her way, the only people backing her were sonic, rotor and tails, even bunnie was iffy about nicole after that. and that lasted till robotnik attacked while they were weakened from nicloe's depression, oh and how about the current where ixis nagus originally ((and likely still)) a BAD GUY is being treated better than her? as for shallow and self centered: ONE time, after she thought sonic was DEAD for a year she flips out when he goes off to RISK HIS LIFE again to fight a war she finds fucking retarded, i think most if not all of you would react the same way she did. in closing: do some fucking research, THEN you can talk.
Anonymous4(2): @Anon3 - Instead of making yourself look like a nerd (really, Sonic comics are shit, who in his right mind would memorize whatever events took place in it...), you could've just said something like "most people like Sally cuz she appeared in a popular cartoon" and that would be more than enough.
Executioner: In SATAM She was a useless damsel indistress Anon 3 and when Archie got hold of her she became their pet that they eather suck up to or try to force fans to have sympathy for the bitch.
Also remember she did accuse Sonic of being selfish when she wanted him all to herself (Sonic's a free spirit, Sally doesnt respect that... Amy does and loves him for it)
Also let's not forget that even though Mina took a bullet for her thanks to Sally's spotlight stealing nature she essentially gets next to nothing screentime wise (Mina being the only non game character worthy of appearing in the games)
@Anon1: Archie can recover the series... by killing off their "Wesley" aka Sally Acorn and doing so brutally Then making it about the game characters with maybe some background addons/villains such as the negitive forms.
Executioner: Basically Sally and Alice are in the same catagory, Mary Sues enhanced by an outsider to a franchise who for some reason was givin the ability to make material but are not connected to the original company, Mary sues that proceed to displace characters that are FROM the source material.
(At least with one of the RE movies Alice's powers were removed from her and she was made less of a mary sue... )
Anonymous5: Hell, if you dont want Sally, I claim Nichole hack and 6th day rights with total neural reprofiling and body tuning.
I thought Sally was becoming more interactable in SatAM, never read any of the comics, didnt even know they existed till recently. Not in USA, dont know Archie.
Nowt wrong with Deus Ex Machina if you can proove it exists. 8)
Executioner: @Anon6: Chris and Clare seemed useful in their own way but I did say "LESS of a Mary Sue" not "No longer a Mary Sue"
@Anon 5: your lucky, you dont have to deal with fantards that whine about Eggman being called Eggman again and not the US made up name of "Robotnik" and you had less interaction with Sally Acorn.
Sintime: @Anon3 Executioner NEVER does research on anything he claims/says, he uploads pictures and claims they are characters with nothing to back it up, several times now he's proven he's not worth the attention he wants.
Anonymous7(3): @anon4: i AM a nerd and proud of it. i'm a REAL sonic fan who takes the comics at face value, unlike "oh they're not canon and the stories are therefore bad automatically" fans.. if you can call them that.
@executioner: mina took a bullet for sally because she wanted sonic to be happy. the reason mina doesn't get alot of screentime is due to the fact she can't control her speed for shit, and aside from that oh 2 speed based characters what are we making "new flash" now GIVE EVERYONE SUPER SPEED! MAKE SONIC HIMSELF USELESS! think about it. mina has accelerated healing, as well as super speed, espio has stealth as well as speed ((though not near as fast as sonic)) tails can fly almost fast enough to keep up with sonic at half tilt, amy is pretty fast and has a giant hammer, we have enough SPEED freedom fighters, we don't need more. so minus her speed she can take the hits, that's all she's good for.oh and her singing, but what's that gonna do against robots, it's not like she can weaponize her voice. so while mina IS cool, she's just not USEFUL. not that sal is all that useful in most situations now that nicole isn't at her side all the time. my point was that what you said about sal was all incorrect, she is nowhere near a mary sue, she's nowhere near perfect in any way, if she were she would have out manuvered the laser turret that KILLED her, how did sonic beat that? GOING SUPER. yea it took SUPER sonic to muck up the reset to regular time enough to get 10 seconds to save her life. SHE couldn't do shit about it, SONIC did.so how is that mary sue? also she accused sonic of being selfish because she thought he DIED and was going off to risk his life in a war she didn't want him to die in, a war that quote "plenty of other will fight" archie still answers to sega with the sonic comics, if sega says "nope, i can't let you print that, archie" they can't print it.
@glassfragment: intresting fact: actually sally has been killed canonly twice, and "fake" died ((not that we knew at the time she wasn't dead)) a total of twice. check endgames ((#47/48/49/50)) for the first. she's also been roboticized 3 times now, ((though i don't know if the one in #51 counts as it was a controlled coma dream from robotnik.)) just a bit of info out there.
personal comment: i'd like to see some "metal sally" 34. though eggman calls her mecha... whichever, both are correct.
Anonymous8(5): Anon5here.. Eggman and Robotnik are two totally different characters. I used to complain like hell about the true evilness of Robotnik being perverted, if that could be used, into the almost buffoon of Eggman, until it was eventually pointed out they are not actually supposed to be the same spaciotemporal person.
Dont forget the First Rule of hardlight holograms, holodecks and replicators. You Can Do Anything.
Mina is clumsy and rapid healing? Definitely a Rule34 there. 8)
Executioner: actually Anon 1 the Mythbusters did prove that the voice can shatter glass... if you boost that to an extreme we have a sound wave type sonic character that uses sound as a weapon.
also her Mary Suedom comes from the fact that everyone eather loves her or is a villaineven though she is clearly the selfish one (You do realize that Sonic risking his life to saveothers is a heroic thing, wanting him all to yourself is SELFISH no m atter which way you cut it, Amy understands and loves SOnic for his free nature which makes her a better match)
also the RE Movies presumably answered to Capcom... that doesnt mean we fans have to like Alice... same concept here.
http://fav.m e/ d4hjeeg
Undo the spaces and you'll see a more scientific method to prove Sally's Suedom
glassfragment: I read it, and proceeded to laugh my ass off.
A lot of questions were asked double or triple ("Is she beautiful? Yes. Is she very beautiful? Yes. Are you sure she's beautiful? Yes again! Ha-ha!"), the point scale at the end seemed to be pulled out of thin air fairly randomly and arbitrarily, and the scale really read like it was meant to be used for RP characters to tone them down, rather then, y'know... a comic book heroine which are written FOR THE SAKE of people to look up to and idolise.
Had she been written down to the scale of what's considered "acceptable", taking mind to LEAVE IN the points that are actually crucial to her very existance and role in the ongoing story (such as being royalty, the leader of a resistance and skills that, had she not had them, would have landed the Freedom Fighters in the Roboticizer long ago already), it would have made her a very boring and uninteresting character as a whole.
So yeah, I'm left fairly unimpressed at that list as a whole.
glassfragment: As a final thought, it's just not right to scale "officially written" comic book characters under the same criteria as personal Roleplay/Fancharacters.
A lot of Sally's mannerisms and abilities can simply be attributed to creative writing and storytelling for the sake of keeping the story interesting. It's good to be modest about your abilities and backstory in a roleplay setting, but modesty doesn't sell comics.
Anonymous9(3): wow, REALLY? i think you disproved yourself with the fact that the user's name is "sallyacornhater4life" of course they're going to skew it to make her look bad. under the "immortals gods and faye" section which only applies to gods, immortals etc, for example, they counted up 8 points on the first set, i only see 6, BUT it doesn't matter because she's not an immortal or anything like that. the in an otherwise normal universe one... REALLY? you can't count ANY of those points, their universe ain't normal. point is that is for HUMAN RP characters.
let's do that test for superman, or batman. the test isn't for established longstanding characters it's for fan characters or RP characters.
i never said you had to like her, and i don't give a shit if you do, but if you ARE going to hate her i have 2 things to request, one: do it on your own blog where we don't have to hear about your irrational hate, and two: provide a reason i can't disprove. i've already disproven everything you've said so far. as for your mythbusters example, yes i saw the episode, mina however has never shown the capacity to do that, just as jamie couldn't. and if i remember correctly, adam had to use his voice amplified to shatter the glass ((i may be wrong, it's been awhile)) so sure, if nicole built her a lightweight hyper sonic voice amplifier from the nanites, then she might be able to blow through a few robots, oh wait why would she hurt the robians? you know the people that are roboticized? here's what you're failing to understand: mina doesn't fight for alot of reasons, ash, her boyfriend/manager, her music career, she isn't going to beat up robians (not that sonic and the others ever did), oh and let's not forget rosie, the old woman that took mina in why she'd be worried sick. so even if she COULD hyperamplify her voice to weaponize it like sindel in mortal kombat, SHE WOULDN'T, she has to many things going on that are important to her to risk her life and voice.
glass: the scale is meant to be sectioned off. and the person obviously skewed the results, most of the "multiteir" questions they just said "oh i counted x" with no explination as to why or how they got that many, like the one "yea i got 23" nothing else, not telling which, just "i got 23" the result is obviously skewed, and LOOK AT THE USERNAME.
glassfragment: Amusingly, "sallyhater4life" also admits that that quiz isn't very well thought out or accurate.
So that's your "scientific method" out the window there, Ex.
Executioner: I find it amusing how you fanboys all rush to pull stuff out of your collective asses to defend your over the top mary sue.
Seriously though Archie is to Sally what kishimoto is to Sasuke... why is it you fanboys cant even see that >> (But then again sasuke fanboys cant figure out his Wesleydom eather)
glassfragment: Y'know, I wouldn't call myself a huge fan of Sally - if anything I stand fairly neutral toward the whole character.
But the flagrant overuse of the term "Mary-Sue" on characters it doesn't even apply to, that's what kind of bothers me.
Sally's an official character who's been written as a comic book heroine with traits to make her more insteresting to read about.
They could have dropped her interest in Sonic, but then there wouldn't be anymore romantic tension.
They could have dropped her leadership skills, but then the Freedom Fighters would have been captured and roboticized ages ago.
Really, most of her traits are simply for the sake of keeping her interesting as a character, and keeping thehappenings surrounding her exciting enough to keep reading about.
If you hate her for that, well, there's nothing I can, or will do to change that. I'm not going to force you to like a character you appear to have such a deep loathing for.
But I plain and simply don't think she qualifies as a "Mary-Sue" because she's not a fanbased roleplay character.
You've done nothing but rage about this, pulling bullshit arguements out of your ass that simply hold no water.
Executioner: @Sintime: So you pulled your miniskirt and pom poms out of the closet now?
@Glass: Actually they could keep her interest in Sonic as long as they actually have her move aside for Amy Rose (Even if Amy has to FORCE her aside) since Amy is a *gasp* Official character from the source material. (Sally is a fan character of the US Distributers who wasnt even used in the origional product at any point... a fact you cant seem to dispute) the leadership skills, she could in theory have them as long as their not over the top.
glassfragment: Look, I can tell you're an Amy fan, you've made the point before. But the thing is...
Sonic just doesn't like Amy that way. He has NEVER returned her affection in the games, and from what I read of them, I don't remember him ever doing so in the comics either.
It would be severely out of character for him if the Comics suddenly had him love her back.
From the get-go, Amy has always been portrayed by Sega as a clingy, pushy "fangirl" to Sonic who keeps begging him to settle down and get married with her.
She was also portrayed as quite a bit younger than Sonic until some magical Acorn McGuffin fixed that for her.
Now, we know that Sonic still CARES about her as a friend, but he just doesn't have any romantic feelings toward her, and never had.
Executioner: Actually if you payed attention Amy is a dedicated girl who's in love. Amy loves Sonic BECAUSE He's a free spirit... THAT'S Why she's attracted to him and that's what she loves.
as for Sally as proven by that slap she wants him to settle down and essentially stop being who he is.
glassfragment: Okay, okay, that was a bit of a simple crack to make, and I know Amy has "sacrificed her feelings" to let Sonic and Sally be happy in one of the comic storylines, but the point remains that Sonic has never returned any romantic feelings back at Amy.
And in the games she DOES keep bringing up the topic of marriage to Sonic almost every time.
glassfragment: Plus the game never touches on that whole "free spirit" point you love to hammer on so much. Please show me a single instance where Amy says this. You can count the comics for this one.
Krawczyk: Amy is just retarded. She wins merely because she has less negative traits, but she's still annoying as fuck. If Sonic was a real hog's hog he would snag Bunnie and Vanilla instead of being torn between two morons exhibiting the worst traits of feminine childhood! Sally is what happens when you load a chick up on too much Disney Princess Power Hour and Amy just like, hit herself in the head with her own mallet too much while reading Harlequin. She's like the crazybitch in Swimfan except not hot.
Real shame though, Sally does have the looks to be pretty classy, whomever drew her up probably watched a lot of 70s and 80s anime. Now if only she had a writing retcon. FYI that would be moar liek Axer's pet character not Archie's, he was around for a LOOONG time in the 'formative personality' years. Thats what happens when yer an ascended fanboy I guess.
anon7 you forgot a simpler point is that they in-universe have all these other baddies runnin about too now not just Robotnik and his experiments-gone-wrong like in the Sega universe, Mina also doesn't need to be there all the time because we can presume she is pulling similarly Sonicky heroics elsewhere. Sonic and Knothole is a lot like Batman and Gotham, easy to forget there's more to the world when you hyperfocus so much.
also fuck this thread for making me imagine Sintime in skirt & pom poms
Ya'll attractive and successful Africans is gay!
glassfragment: Oh wait, you wanted me to dispute the fact that Sally is a US-based fan character, right?
Quoth Sonic Retro;
"The name "Sally Acorn" comes from the American Sonic Bible, produced internally by Sega of America during the development of Sonic 1."
Read those words again.
Produced INTERNALLY by SEGA OF AMERICA.
She's NOT a FAN character.
I will not dispute that she's a US-based character, though.
Thing is, Sega also started out as a US-based company. So to disregard a character just because she "wasn't made in Japan" is pretty short-sighted.
Krawczyk: oh Executioner, the DQ games are basically the worst traits of RPGs, at least gameplay-wise. With the exception of the 'jester' class its just way too basic to hold my interest. This is also a shame, because the stories on some of them are really good, but I just wind up watching the good parts on youtube. DQVII is my favourite followed by DQIV for simply being unique as hell. Toriyama I think suggests some story ideas unsolicited, not just arting, because a lot of the plotlines show up again later on in his other work.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DragonQuestIV
The tropes are spoilery but basically explain a lot of the uniqueness, like how Toran's 'quest' as a merchant is basically like swapping to the other side of the counter in a standard RPG. I don't know if it's THE first to use the idea, but it certainly kickstarted it.
Krawczyk: pffft nah she has too many moments that ruin the good ones, maybe she needs to hang around with Tess from Jak for a few days for some 'personality rebalancing!'
Anonymous11(3): hey executioner i can dispute it easily. SONIC CD'S MANUAL! in both versions, US and japanese the same "mistake" was made, instead of printing the name of the young hedgehog girl as Amy Rose, it was printed as "Princess Sally". so then, what do you have to say to that one.
here's the thing you're missing: i don't give a shit if you hate her, i really don't, but if you ARE going to hate her, DON'T SPREAD LIES ABOUT HER. i'm not really a fan of her, she's hot as all hell, and i'd tap that ass, but i'm not really a fan of her. hell i'm not really a huge fan of sonic himself. i'm a HUGE fan of METAL SONIC though. don't misinterperate what i'm saying and try some BS, i love sonic, and i've been there since the begining waaaaay back in 1991, i have been a fan, and here's the kicker, will CONTINUE to be a fan for my entire life, wether i buy new games or not, i AM a fan. i have most of the full run of the comics, which by the way as i have said i take at face value.
now, here's what i find the funniest from all the haters/fanbrats that don't get it: ALL OF SONIC IS CANON each peice is it's own zone. according to "sallyacornhater4life" sonic X is infact 100% canon, in which they explain there are multiple zones in which multiple sonics could exist, but there's no way for them to accesss the other zones with the technology they have, sonic and the rest transporting to chris' "zone" was incidental ((read: deus ex machina)) and brought about the events of sonic X in that zone, HOWEVER the gme zone is a diffrent beast alltogether and has NOTHING to do with sonic X or SATAM, SATAM is a diffrent zone than the comics, just as moebius (evil zone) is diffrent from adventures of. THEY ARE ALL CANON IN THEIR ZONE. so YES infact dumbass sally exists, shadow is dead, sonic turns into a werehog, and metal sonic did turn into a giant hulking beast of death and demise, IN THAT PARTICULAR ZONE. here's a question for you to ponder: before sonic generations did sonic mention ANY of his past adventures EVER?
and here's another thing: MECHA SONIC, from sonic 3&knuckles, when you play as tails or knuckles, you fight mecha sonic, but he doesn't go super, but as sonic he does, and as both tails and knux you never see sonic, but as sonic you see both, so, here's the question: is mecha sonic roboticized sonic? like in issue 39/40+ super special MECHA MADNESS of the comic? it's possible. what about nack the weasel/fang the sniper, who appears in the comic far more than in the games, he's had 2 game apperences, sonic the fighters and sonic triple trouble, or bark the polar bear and bean the dynamite, both from sonic the fighters, which was MENTIONED IN THE COMIC. so comic sonic remembers the events of the games, but games sonic doesn't. doesn't that seem... odd? no the comics aren't canon to the games, but similar events took place in both worlds.
Sintime: No matter how many different ways you explain the fallacy in Executioner's logic and argument he will blindly pull some excuse out of his opinions to discredit facts, like a child holding his hands over his ears and screaming lalala.
Anonymous13(3): sin, i like you, you understand where i'm commin from. the thing is that i don't care what his opinion is, just don't claim it's fact, that's all it takes. i don't get pissed off easily, i've been simi civil this entire time, but he keeps pushing his opinion as fact.
i don't know who said it or what image or where i saw it but someone claimed she was below amy because she lies and uses blackmail to get what she wants quote amy's exact words in SA2: "i'll help you if you agree to marry me" while holding the key to sonic's cell on prison island. if that's not blackmail, nothing is. so oh well.
Krawczyk: haa, never did get the ending of that game. Why the hell is the witch riding a cart and...basically has no powers instead choosing to fight you like Joker?
Executioner: Yeah Glass you proved my point by saying it wa sproduced by Sega OF AMERICA (Sega's main HQ's in Japan... or did you not know that it's not even like a filler arc that is actually approved by the manga writer and produced in the original location)
and themoments that do show Amy as the way she is... simply put not only the word of Sega OF JAPAN but also the fact that Amy just says "marrage" not "Stay by my side or I'll slap you"
glassfragment: You're not really aware what the whole concept of marriage pertains to, do you Ex?
And I never said that Sally wasn't a US-based character. I said she wasn't a FAN-character.
Sega Of America aren't "fans" of THEIR OWN FREAKING COMPANY.
And again, Sega STARTED OUT as a US-based company, and while Sonic himself was designed by Japan, the original concepts went back and forth between US and Japan a lot.
To repeat myself; disregarding the US-based input because "waaaa they're not made by Japs so it doesn't count" is really shortsighted.
Anonymous14(3): @kraw: casino night -twitches- i have nightmares about that place...
@executioner: .... are you just a retard? seriously, i'm asking that as an actual question, i'm not trolling or anything, i really want an answer to that. MARRIAGE is exactly that, "be with me and nobody else for the rest of your life (i don't know if there's divorce in the sonic world, i've never seen it, there was an anullment by the king in the comic when we found out that "antione" was "patch" from moebius) here's what you're doing wrong dude, SErvice GAmes, or SEGA is infact an american arcade company, they produced claw machined as well as alot of the "coin shooters" along the way they wanted to broden their horizens to enter the homes of players, but you can't really bring an arcade to your house unless you're all kinds of rich, so they built a japanese branch, the leaders in home entertainment with the famicom and atari, the japanese branch produced the "Core" the master system, the model 1, or as you know it the genisis, in 1989, in 1991 they wanted to relaunch the genisis, with a better design, and better compaitbility with the CD and 32X, so it would run better, but they wanted a better mascot than "alex kidd" their privious "running series" for home entertainment, in comes yuji naka with his bunny, yes a BUNNY but it needed to be about 20% cooler, they wanted it to play like mario but faster, stronger, cooler, y'know? so they were throwing ideas around between BOTH branches, the next version produced became mighty the armadillo in SEGASONIC the hedgehog an arcade game produced by guess who the arcade masters themselves SEGA OF AMERICA, now where else have we seen mighty? KNUCKLES CHAOTIX the 32X game produced by SEGA japan. wait... an american sonic character used by japan? SHOCK!! the third and final design became the iconic blue hedgehog we all know today, and guess which branch suggested a hedgehog? that's right SEGA OF AMERICA!! so i guess according to your logic, sonic is really a bunny since y'know it was the american branch of SEGA that made him a hedgehog.
@glass: thanks for backing me on this, while the arguement is pretty much won, and executioner has yet to disprove anything we've said because it's all fact, and he was pushing his opinion, i would like to point out that you need a bit more substance in your posts, you know alot about sega from what i see, but you post very simple posts, use your knowledge friend!
i'd also like to take this time to thank everyone else that has read and pondered my arguements, wether you post or not, i want this to be said and hope everyone that sees this thinks about it: if you hate a character, that's fine, wether it's because of your opinion of them, or how they look, or that they just don't appeal to you, when you hate a character, don't click on thumbnails of them, there's no reason to, just as i don't bother with any images of "bella swan" or any other characters i dislike, you too should just simply walk away and save yourself the trouble of hating on something, because it starts shit like this. do you really want to be like executioner? making yourself look foolish because you try to pass an opinion as fact? please, for the love of odin, if you hate furries stay away from furry pics, if you hate futa stay away from futa pics, if you hate princess peach, stay away from princess peach pics. it's not that complicated. don't make it harder than it is.
Anonymous15: tl;dr
Also, the thing is, whether sonic is american or japonese doesn't even matter, because it IS sonic and sonic IS gay japonese faggotshit and I think sega should be nuked or something. That's all there is to it.
Executioner: @Anon 14: I'm amazed I actually read through your ramblings... but I'll summorize, those ideas were accepted by the Japanese branch therefor they count. (Also not to mention it's in the same catagory of Eggman always being Eggman and only in the US was he ever called "robotnik" ) Sonic being a Hedgehog and Knuckles... both were accepted by the whole company. Sally is mostly just in the comics made by a third party therefor a fan character. (Hell I'm at the point of "If we accept Sally why not accept fanart of Becky?)
*yawns* thorugh all your ramblings you came nowhere near a coherent point (Length of typing doesntmean more actual points, put some thought into it)
glassfragment: I'd try and make some more coherent points if talking to you wasn't the equivalent of having a conversation with a kid with his fingers in his ears going "lalalalalalala can't hear you".
Anonymous18(3): @sin: yea i should make an account ^^ i'll do it eventually.
@executioner: incoherently? pulled out of my ass? i'm sorry where's your proof of anything? look up SErvice GAmes. look in ANY arcade, coin shooters and UFO catchers are mostly made by SEGA. sally was made by the original branch of SEGA for the SATAM cartoon, she was GOING to be in sonic CD but they changed it to amy instead, these are facts. your OPINION of sally is not. the robotnik arguement has nothing to do with this, i'm not saying anything about robotnik. though sonic generations DID fix that canonly. so the arguement is null anyways. the reason becky isn't accepted is because here's a shock becky is not made by sega in any format, sally on the other hand IS. end. of. line.
@ anon 16: you missed that i'm also 3, 12, and 13, and now 18 too. as for getting laid: been there done that, and getting a life? umh if you can't tell i'm a gamer, i have more lives than i can count. ... -rimshot-
i think i'm gonna make an account now. i wonder if titanium can fix my posts to be attributed to my account...?
Anonymous20: Executioner is a weeaboo troll and you are all idiots for paying any attention to him. Seriously, stop giving him what he wants. He says blatantly obvious lies then goes "lol you're a fanboy who doesn't know shit" when you bother to take the time to think out a response. This is like Remedial Trolling 051.
Anonymous21: @anon20: you think i don't know that? I'm having fun. I don't give two shits what he thinks or says. I respond because I'm having fun, plus glass and sin seem to enjoy reading my responses i have no problem providing extra reafing material for real sonic fans
Anonymous22(21): You've only pulled "facts"out of your ass dude. You keep claiming that robotnik arguement. Again i reiterate according to you sonic is a bunny and the Genesis doesn't really exist, that's just fine, and you can think that all you want, go ahead and be crazy. That's just fine. But here's the real fact, service games, or sega, is originally an American vompany. So, just stop. Hate Sal all you want, just leave us alone. Can you do the world a favor and do that? If you really hate sally, don't click on thumbnails that you can see her. It really is that simple. Or hey why don't you get your own comic published,and i don't mean self published, when you have a monthly series,with 230 or more issues, and you published by DC, Archie, marvel etc, then you can say she's a Mary sue, but until then, leave the real sonic fans alone. Please.
Anonymous24(21): What? I support all things sonic. Period, all official characters, all comics, cartoons, and games, i am currently collecting all the sonic underground DVDs it's all I'm missing, and i know what you're gonna say to that, not cannon blah blah blah, guess what: i like all of sonic as a whole. Unlike you. A real fan can appreciate everything for what it is. Period. You say you're a fan but disregard a character that sega created. So... Who's the real faker?
Executioner: @Anon 24: Does that mean you support the endless hordes of Sonic Recolors and pairing sues that people come up with? I disreguard someone who's thrown into the comics and US stuff only that displaces the ACTUAL characters.
Anonymous25: umm... sonic underground was nether finished, so your going to fail collecting all the episodes, Also sally was in sonic (s)pinball which was made by sega in 19??!
Gear-Metal-Sonic: i said DVDs. i didn't say all episodes, i know it went unfinished, i do however want to collect the full set as was finished, the episodes that come to DVD. sonic spinball was released november 14, 1993. and we know she was there, but according to ex, that doesn't count.
and in response to ex's last post: does anyone that read my post want to feild this one? please?
ex, for the thousandth time: SONIC IS A US CHARACTER HIMSELF, get it through your thick skull, if is wasn't for the US company SErvice GAmes, or SEGA, sonic would not exist at all. so that arguement is DEAD. here's an intresting point, sonic spinball DID come out in japan, and europe, sally was in the japanese version. so.... well i guess she's not ONLY in the US stuff. your arguement is now invalid. please try again.
Executioner: @Anon25: Was Spinball released in Japan by the original makers, and no I dont buy that bullshit service games excuse, Sega's a Japanese company
Sintime: He will never listen to anything you say, and reinforces his own opinion non-stop. He ignores any points on facts you bring up on purpose just to continue them. I don't know if he's really thick-headed or just trying to troll at this point. Though I know he's craving attention.
Anonymous28(27): Anon 27 this is not peace keeping but owell:
Only the dead get closure, the living do not.
plus anon 25/26 is right about the spinball thing! Sally was in a bonus level with bunnie and rotor!
BTW ex. i love you!
but you have no facts or proof.
also sim. i love you but your to aguemental.
BTW (again) i am a girl! *GASP*
Anonymous29(27): why why why why why why why why are are are are are are are are are we we we we we we we we we we we fighting fighting fighting fighting over over over over over over over porn! porn! porn! porn! porn! porn!
Executioner: Apparentlly Sypoth doesnt realize it's Sonic free nature that Amy loves, while Sally loves the idea of trapping his free nature. *facepalm*
Anonymous30: Executioner, fucking stop. You're embarrassing yourself. You're about as bad a weeaboo as I've ever seen and you clearly have no idea what you're talking about. Claiming Sonic Spinball wasn't released in Japan is one of the dumbest things I've ever seen.
Anonymous32: we've proven ourselves, yet you can't even show proof of Amy's motivation (because it isn't that, Amy is obssessed with sonic because he rescued her from metal, he is her hero, that's roght, it's basically a celebrity crush, his free spirit means nothing or she would have opened the door on prison island without trying to blackmail him into marriage.)
Executioner: @Anon 33: I think I figured out your and the others problem... you seem to ignore the later games which has more development on the relationship between Sonic and Amy (What you take Game Informer's reviews of them at face value? the same people who said Mario Kart's shit for not changing anything yet giving Battlefield 3 a 9.5)
Hell anyone who played Sonic Unleashed would know Amy loves Sonic for his free spirit... *Facepalm* and still... no Sally Acorn.
Anonymous33: if amy loved sonic SOO much in Unleashed how come it was ONLY Tails that could reconise sonic has a warehog? use REAL fact not facts from your opinon! (i am anon 32)
Anonymous34(33): anon 34 is right! and also sally likes sonic for who he is BUT amy had to be saved from the death egg (2) till she loved him! ex. you need to realise that you started off about sally's oldest things and now moved onto the newest thing because you messed up! you are just a amy fan trying to prove amy's better! i don't care if you hate sally just don't lie about her! i don't like sally but i am sticking up for her! now shut up!
Anonymous39: (it seems someone got their comment deleted somewhere so all the anon numbers after 32 are messed up. ))
wow ex. Sonic unleashed? I beat that and Amy never said that, or are you refering to the non canon cinima where sonic becomes her boyfriend? I've only heard about it, i never got it to go off. Because noncanon material doesn't count remember? As for your game informer argument, you're funny. I have played and at minimum beaten all sonic games to date with the "final" story, the only one i didn't enjoy was heros, it felt too forced. Not really "sonic" like you could have jammed Yoshi for speed, Mario for power, and peach for flight, and it would have felt the same. Your argument is getting weaker and weaker. it's time to admit you're wrong. You don't have to like Sal, just admit she's not a Mary sue and you don't actually know shit about her or the sonic universe.
Krawczyk: yeah we've been having some login probs due to the background work. Just bear with or wait til you get home.
Also lol @ citing Game Informer as credible anything. They frikken called Ghiranim a chick for at least two months straight.
Executioner: ...what. that looks NOTHING like Sally Acorn JWN926. (Even considering the different coloring the face is NOTHING like her, nor is the body shape... that looks more like the offspring if Amy Rose was impregnated by Paul (Of the movie "Paul" )
Anonymous44: ex.! i have played spinball lots and Sally is in it! stop lying about your errors and our points! your like a kid who thinks his allways right! and why are you even looking at Sally porn if you hate her!
Executioner: @JWN926: and I could type this "@oo@" and claim that it's Amy Rose yet it obviously isnt her. (The site owner THINKS it's Sally Acorn for... some reason even though it looks more like Amy and Paul's love child)
@Anon 44: I played that game a lot also, not only is it shittier then ANY recently made sonic game (Even counting 2000, seriously it doesnt even act like a Sonic game or a pinball game and I've PLAYED REAL PINBALL MACHINES) it DOESNT HAVE SALLY ACORN.
Executioner: It makes sense in context Anon 45, basically I was countering people who claim Sonic Spinball is a good game and claim that Sally is in it by showing that their wrong on both counts...
THE LOVE CHILD OF PAUL AND AMY IS NOT SALLY ACORN!
God-fucking-damn Sally can spur some hot blood. How about this: How about you all stop bitching and start fapping? It feels better and leaves less of a mess.
Anonymous47: @Executioner:
I agree that Sally fans have rushed up to protect her but she is in NO way (except some little things) a Mary Sue!
Also, I hate Sally but she is NOT a Mary Sue!
And stop refering to Amy halfway (or before) between your arguements! It`s like your trying to turn Sally Lovers into Amy loving Sally hating people, i don`t mind you talking about Amy but STOP REFERING SALLY`S BAD POINTS (either opinon or real) TO HER!!
Gear-Metal-Sonic: ok. i know how to solve this once and for all. with SCIENCE!!
according to ex, the maintraits that make sally a mary sue are that she is the main character's love interest, that she is princess/important person, and that other characters heel face turn because of her.
in the first instance: princess peach, lois lane, talia al gual, catwoman, roll casket ((kinda.. i guess)) alia, layer, ceil, the list goes on. i'm not bothering to list every love intrest ever in every story.
point 2: again peach, lois lane, talia al gual, ceil ((leader of resistance in MMZ)) alia ((navigator)) roll casket ((she built megaman's armor and buster in legends))
point 3: talia al gual ((makes rahs heel face whenever he tries to kill batman)) ceil ((reporter chick in MMZ4)) peach ((made bowser heel face turn, 3 times.))
i guess they're all mary sues. ok so let's take this as is EVERY COMIC BOOK LOVE INTEREST IS A MARY SUE.
problem. fucking. solved.
now can you all shut the fuck up and leave sal alone?
dr_awesome: Here's a thought for everyone: just ignore him! Just block out his lame ass trolling and he'll go away sooner or later. I like Sally and Amy equally, but Sonic IS a free spirit, ergo, he will NEVER end up in a relationship. Maybe in the shows/comics, but never in the games. Also, Ex. If you reply, I ignore. Plain as that.
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Only a complete retard would take something from a kid's comic book seriously.
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Her color alone is eye-burning.
Also remember she did accuse Sonic of being selfish when she wanted him all to herself (Sonic's a free spirit, Sally doesnt respect that... Amy does and loves him for it)
Also let's not forget that even though Mina took a bullet for her thanks to Sally's spotlight stealing nature she essentially gets next to nothing screentime wise (Mina being the only non game character worthy of appearing in the games)
@Anon1: Archie can recover the series... by killing off their "Wesley" aka Sally Acorn and doing so brutally Then making it about the game characters with maybe some background addons/villains such as the negitive forms.
lol
(At least with one of the RE movies Alice's powers were removed from her and she was made less of a mary sue... )
I thought Sally was becoming more interactable in SatAM, never read any of the comics, didnt even know they existed till recently. Not in USA, dont know Archie.
Nowt wrong with Deus Ex Machina if you can proove it exists. 8)
And she proceeded to be the only useful and competent character in the movie. Who would have thought?
@Anon 5: your lucky, you dont have to deal with fantards that whine about Eggman being called Eggman again and not the US made up name of "Robotnik" and you had less interaction with Sally Acorn.
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Archie at one point actually tried to kill off Sally. Gasp!
It was Sega who then ordered her to be brought back to life because they had "promotional ideas" for the character. Double Gasp!
http://archiesonic.wikia.com/wiki/Sally_Acorn
Under "Background Information".
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@executioner: mina took a bullet for sally because she wanted sonic to be happy. the reason mina doesn't get alot of screentime is due to the fact she can't control her speed for shit, and aside from that oh 2 speed based characters what are we making "new flash" now GIVE EVERYONE SUPER SPEED! MAKE SONIC HIMSELF USELESS! think about it. mina has accelerated healing, as well as super speed, espio has stealth as well as speed ((though not near as fast as sonic)) tails can fly almost fast enough to keep up with sonic at half tilt, amy is pretty fast and has a giant hammer, we have enough SPEED freedom fighters, we don't need more. so minus her speed she can take the hits, that's all she's good for.oh and her singing, but what's that gonna do against robots, it's not like she can weaponize her voice. so while mina IS cool, she's just not USEFUL. not that sal is all that useful in most situations now that nicole isn't at her side all the time. my point was that what you said about sal was all incorrect, she is nowhere near a mary sue, she's nowhere near perfect in any way, if she were she would have out manuvered the laser turret that KILLED her, how did sonic beat that? GOING SUPER. yea it took SUPER sonic to muck up the reset to regular time enough to get 10 seconds to save her life. SHE couldn't do shit about it, SONIC did.so how is that mary sue? also she accused sonic of being selfish because she thought he DIED and was going off to risk his life in a war she didn't want him to die in, a war that quote "plenty of other will fight" archie still answers to sega with the sonic comics, if sega says "nope, i can't let you print that, archie" they can't print it.
@glassfragment: intresting fact: actually sally has been killed canonly twice, and "fake" died ((not that we knew at the time she wasn't dead)) a total of twice. check endgames ((#47/48/49/50)) for the first. she's also been roboticized 3 times now, ((though i don't know if the one in #51 counts as it was a controlled coma dream from robotnik.)) just a bit of info out there.
personal comment: i'd like to see some "metal sally" 34. though eggman calls her mecha... whichever, both are correct.
Dont forget the First Rule of hardlight holograms, holodecks and replicators. You Can Do Anything.
Mina is clumsy and rapid healing? Definitely a Rule34 there. 8)
also her Mary Suedom comes from the fact that everyone eather loves her or is a villaineven though she is clearly the selfish one (You do realize that Sonic risking his life to saveothers is a heroic thing, wanting him all to yourself is SELFISH no m atter which way you cut it, Amy understands and loves SOnic for his free nature which makes her a better match)
also the RE Movies presumably answered to Capcom... that doesnt mean we fans have to like Alice... same concept here.
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Undo the spaces and you'll see a more scientific method to prove Sally's Suedom
A lot of questions were asked double or triple ("Is she beautiful? Yes. Is she very beautiful? Yes. Are you sure she's beautiful? Yes again! Ha-ha!"), the point scale at the end seemed to be pulled out of thin air fairly randomly and arbitrarily, and the scale really read like it was meant to be used for RP characters to tone them down, rather then, y'know... a comic book heroine which are written FOR THE SAKE of people to look up to and idolise.
Had she been written down to the scale of what's considered "acceptable", taking mind to LEAVE IN the points that are actually crucial to her very existance and role in the ongoing story (such as being royalty, the leader of a resistance and skills that, had she not had them, would have landed the Freedom Fighters in the Roboticizer long ago already), it would have made her a very boring and uninteresting character as a whole.
So yeah, I'm left fairly unimpressed at that list as a whole.
A lot of Sally's mannerisms and abilities can simply be attributed to creative writing and storytelling for the sake of keeping the story interesting. It's good to be modest about your abilities and backstory in a roleplay setting, but modesty doesn't sell comics.
let's do that test for superman, or batman. the test isn't for established longstanding characters it's for fan characters or RP characters.
i never said you had to like her, and i don't give a shit if you do, but if you ARE going to hate her i have 2 things to request, one: do it on your own blog where we don't have to hear about your irrational hate, and two: provide a reason i can't disprove. i've already disproven everything you've said so far. as for your mythbusters example, yes i saw the episode, mina however has never shown the capacity to do that, just as jamie couldn't. and if i remember correctly, adam had to use his voice amplified to shatter the glass ((i may be wrong, it's been awhile)) so sure, if nicole built her a lightweight hyper sonic voice amplifier from the nanites, then she might be able to blow through a few robots, oh wait why would she hurt the robians? you know the people that are roboticized? here's what you're failing to understand: mina doesn't fight for alot of reasons, ash, her boyfriend/manager, her music career, she isn't going to beat up robians (not that sonic and the others ever did), oh and let's not forget rosie, the old woman that took mina in why she'd be worried sick. so even if she COULD hyperamplify her voice to weaponize it like sindel in mortal kombat, SHE WOULDN'T, she has to many things going on that are important to her to risk her life and voice.
glass: the scale is meant to be sectioned off. and the person obviously skewed the results, most of the "multiteir" questions they just said "oh i counted x" with no explination as to why or how they got that many, like the one "yea i got 23" nothing else, not telling which, just "i got 23" the result is obviously skewed, and LOOK AT THE USERNAME.
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So that's your "scientific method" out the window there, Ex.
Seriously though Archie is to Sally what kishimoto is to Sasuke... why is it you fanboys cant even see that >> (But then again sasuke fanboys cant figure out his Wesleydom eather)
But the flagrant overuse of the term "Mary-Sue" on characters it doesn't even apply to, that's what kind of bothers me.
Sally's an official character who's been written as a comic book heroine with traits to make her more insteresting to read about.
They could have dropped her interest in Sonic, but then there wouldn't be anymore romantic tension.
They could have dropped her leadership skills, but then the Freedom Fighters would have been captured and roboticized ages ago.
Really, most of her traits are simply for the sake of keeping her interesting as a character, and keeping thehappenings surrounding her exciting enough to keep reading about.
If you hate her for that, well, there's nothing I can, or will do to change that. I'm not going to force you to like a character you appear to have such a deep loathing for.
But I plain and simply don't think she qualifies as a "Mary-Sue" because she's not a fanbased roleplay character.
You've done nothing but rage about this, pulling bullshit arguements out of your ass that simply hold no water.
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@Glass: Actually they could keep her interest in Sonic as long as they actually have her move aside for Amy Rose (Even if Amy has to FORCE her aside) since Amy is a *gasp* Official character from the source material. (Sally is a fan character of the US Distributers who wasnt even used in the origional product at any point... a fact you cant seem to dispute) the leadership skills, she could in theory have them as long as their not over the top.
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Sonic just doesn't like Amy that way. He has NEVER returned her affection in the games, and from what I read of them, I don't remember him ever doing so in the comics either.
It would be severely out of character for him if the Comics suddenly had him love her back.
From the get-go, Amy has always been portrayed by Sega as a clingy, pushy "fangirl" to Sonic who keeps begging him to settle down and get married with her.
She was also portrayed as quite a bit younger than Sonic until some magical Acorn McGuffin fixed that for her.
Now, we know that Sonic still CARES about her as a friend, but he just doesn't have any romantic feelings toward her, and never had.
as for Sally as proven by that slap she wants him to settle down and essentially stop being who he is.
There's nowhere to hide!
Sweet sweet you're so sweet!
Come on, SETTLE OUR LIVES!"
And in the games she DOES keep bringing up the topic of marriage to Sonic almost every time.
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Real shame though, Sally does have the looks to be pretty classy, whomever drew her up probably watched a lot of 70s and 80s anime. Now if only she had a writing retcon. FYI that would be moar liek Axer's pet character not Archie's, he was around for a LOOONG time in the 'formative personality' years. Thats what happens when yer an ascended fanboy I guess.
anon7 you forgot a simpler point is that they in-universe have all these other baddies runnin about too now not just Robotnik and his experiments-gone-wrong like in the Sega universe, Mina also doesn't need to be there all the time because we can presume she is pulling similarly Sonicky heroics elsewhere. Sonic and Knothole is a lot like Batman and Gotham, easy to forget there's more to the world when you hyperfocus so much.
also fuck this thread for making me imagine Sintime in skirt & pom poms
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Quoth Sonic Retro;
"The name "Sally Acorn" comes from the American Sonic Bible, produced internally by Sega of America during the development of Sonic 1."
Read those words again.
Produced INTERNALLY by SEGA OF AMERICA.
She's NOT a FAN character.
I will not dispute that she's a US-based character, though.
Thing is, Sega also started out as a US-based company. So to disregard a character just because she "wasn't made in Japan" is pretty short-sighted.
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http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DragonQuestIV
The tropes are spoilery but basically explain a lot of the uniqueness, like how Toran's 'quest' as a merchant is basically like swapping to the other side of the counter in a standard RPG. I don't know if it's THE first to use the idea, but it certainly kickstarted it.
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here's the thing you're missing: i don't give a shit if you hate her, i really don't, but if you ARE going to hate her, DON'T SPREAD LIES ABOUT HER. i'm not really a fan of her, she's hot as all hell, and i'd tap that ass, but i'm not really a fan of her. hell i'm not really a huge fan of sonic himself. i'm a HUGE fan of METAL SONIC though. don't misinterperate what i'm saying and try some BS, i love sonic, and i've been there since the begining waaaaay back in 1991, i have been a fan, and here's the kicker, will CONTINUE to be a fan for my entire life, wether i buy new games or not, i AM a fan. i have most of the full run of the comics, which by the way as i have said i take at face value.
now, here's what i find the funniest from all the haters/fanbrats that don't get it: ALL OF SONIC IS CANON each peice is it's own zone. according to "sallyacornhater4life" sonic X is infact 100% canon, in which they explain there are multiple zones in which multiple sonics could exist, but there's no way for them to accesss the other zones with the technology they have, sonic and the rest transporting to chris' "zone" was incidental ((read: deus ex machina)) and brought about the events of sonic X in that zone, HOWEVER the gme zone is a diffrent beast alltogether and has NOTHING to do with sonic X or SATAM, SATAM is a diffrent zone than the comics, just as moebius (evil zone) is diffrent from adventures of. THEY ARE ALL CANON IN THEIR ZONE. so YES infact dumbass sally exists, shadow is dead, sonic turns into a werehog, and metal sonic did turn into a giant hulking beast of death and demise, IN THAT PARTICULAR ZONE. here's a question for you to ponder: before sonic generations did sonic mention ANY of his past adventures EVER?
and here's another thing: MECHA SONIC, from sonic 3&knuckles, when you play as tails or knuckles, you fight mecha sonic, but he doesn't go super, but as sonic he does, and as both tails and knux you never see sonic, but as sonic you see both, so, here's the question: is mecha sonic roboticized sonic? like in issue 39/40+ super special MECHA MADNESS of the comic? it's possible. what about nack the weasel/fang the sniper, who appears in the comic far more than in the games, he's had 2 game apperences, sonic the fighters and sonic triple trouble, or bark the polar bear and bean the dynamite, both from sonic the fighters, which was MENTIONED IN THE COMIC. so comic sonic remembers the events of the games, but games sonic doesn't. doesn't that seem... odd? no the comics aren't canon to the games, but similar events took place in both worlds.
((holy crap, i wrote alot...))
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i don't know who said it or what image or where i saw it but someone claimed she was below amy because she lies and uses blackmail to get what she wants quote amy's exact words in SA2: "i'll help you if you agree to marry me" while holding the key to sonic's cell on prison island. if that's not blackmail, nothing is. so oh well.
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GameGear Sonic and Tails, something about Tails riding in a cart was really fun back then.
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and themoments that do show Amy as the way she is... simply put not only the word of Sega OF JAPAN but also the fact that Amy just says "marrage" not "Stay by my side or I'll slap you"
And I never said that Sally wasn't a US-based character. I said she wasn't a FAN-character.
Sega Of America aren't "fans" of THEIR OWN FREAKING COMPANY.
And again, Sega STARTED OUT as a US-based company, and while Sonic himself was designed by Japan, the original concepts went back and forth between US and Japan a lot.
To repeat myself; disregarding the US-based input because "waaaa they're not made by Japs so it doesn't count" is really shortsighted.
@executioner: .... are you just a retard? seriously, i'm asking that as an actual question, i'm not trolling or anything, i really want an answer to that. MARRIAGE is exactly that, "be with me and nobody else for the rest of your life (i don't know if there's divorce in the sonic world, i've never seen it, there was an anullment by the king in the comic when we found out that "antione" was "patch" from moebius) here's what you're doing wrong dude, SErvice GAmes, or SEGA is infact an american arcade company, they produced claw machined as well as alot of the "coin shooters" along the way they wanted to broden their horizens to enter the homes of players, but you can't really bring an arcade to your house unless you're all kinds of rich, so they built a japanese branch, the leaders in home entertainment with the famicom and atari, the japanese branch produced the "Core" the master system, the model 1, or as you know it the genisis, in 1989, in 1991 they wanted to relaunch the genisis, with a better design, and better compaitbility with the CD and 32X, so it would run better, but they wanted a better mascot than "alex kidd" their privious "running series" for home entertainment, in comes yuji naka with his bunny, yes a BUNNY but it needed to be about 20% cooler, they wanted it to play like mario but faster, stronger, cooler, y'know? so they were throwing ideas around between BOTH branches, the next version produced became mighty the armadillo in SEGASONIC the hedgehog an arcade game produced by guess who the arcade masters themselves SEGA OF AMERICA, now where else have we seen mighty? KNUCKLES CHAOTIX the 32X game produced by SEGA japan. wait... an american sonic character used by japan? SHOCK!! the third and final design became the iconic blue hedgehog we all know today, and guess which branch suggested a hedgehog? that's right SEGA OF AMERICA!! so i guess according to your logic, sonic is really a bunny since y'know it was the american branch of SEGA that made him a hedgehog.
@glass: thanks for backing me on this, while the arguement is pretty much won, and executioner has yet to disprove anything we've said because it's all fact, and he was pushing his opinion, i would like to point out that you need a bit more substance in your posts, you know alot about sega from what i see, but you post very simple posts, use your knowledge friend!
i'd also like to take this time to thank everyone else that has read and pondered my arguements, wether you post or not, i want this to be said and hope everyone that sees this thinks about it: if you hate a character, that's fine, wether it's because of your opinion of them, or how they look, or that they just don't appeal to you, when you hate a character, don't click on thumbnails of them, there's no reason to, just as i don't bother with any images of "bella swan" or any other characters i dislike, you too should just simply walk away and save yourself the trouble of hating on something, because it starts shit like this. do you really want to be like executioner? making yourself look foolish because you try to pass an opinion as fact? please, for the love of odin, if you hate furries stay away from furry pics, if you hate futa stay away from futa pics, if you hate princess peach, stay away from princess peach pics. it's not that complicated. don't make it harder than it is.
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Also, the thing is, whether sonic is american or japonese doesn't even matter, because it IS sonic and sonic IS gay japonese faggotshit and I think sega should be nuked or something. That's all there is to it.
*yawns* thorugh all your ramblings you came nowhere near a coherent point (Length of typing doesntmean more actual points, put some thought into it)
btw I did make a comparison that was rude... I appolagize to the maker of Becky the Hedgehog for compairing h er to someone like Sally Acorn.
@executioner: incoherently? pulled out of my ass? i'm sorry where's your proof of anything? look up SErvice GAmes. look in ANY arcade, coin shooters and UFO catchers are mostly made by SEGA. sally was made by the original branch of SEGA for the SATAM cartoon, she was GOING to be in sonic CD but they changed it to amy instead, these are facts. your OPINION of sally is not. the robotnik arguement has nothing to do with this, i'm not saying anything about robotnik. though sonic generations DID fix that canonly. so the arguement is null anyways. the reason becky isn't accepted is because here's a shock becky is not made by sega in any format, sally on the other hand IS. end. of. line.
@ anon 16: you missed that i'm also 3, 12, and 13, and now 18 too. as for getting laid: been there done that, and getting a life? umh if you can't tell i'm a gamer, i have more lives than i can count. ... -rimshot-
i think i'm gonna make an account now. i wonder if titanium can fix my posts to be attributed to my account...?
now that is irony Anon 22...
and in response to ex's last post: does anyone that read my post want to feild this one? please?
ex, for the thousandth time: SONIC IS A US CHARACTER HIMSELF, get it through your thick skull, if is wasn't for the US company SErvice GAmes, or SEGA, sonic would not exist at all. so that arguement is DEAD. here's an intresting point, sonic spinball DID come out in japan, and europe, sally was in the japanese version. so.... well i guess she's not ONLY in the US stuff. your arguement is now invalid. please try again.
I think you just owned ex... Again!
@Metal-Gear-Sonic >> do you actually have proof?
In other words:
"I don't know how to respond to this valid arguement"
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@ex: do i have proof it was released in japan by sega? ... dude. go to gamefaqs and look up sonic spinball.
(insert peace-keeping sentace here)
Only the dead get closure, the living do not.
plus anon 25/26 is right about the spinball thing! Sally was in a bonus level with bunnie and rotor!
BTW ex. i love you!
but you have no facts or proof.
also sim. i love you but your to aguemental.
BTW (again) i am a girl! *GASP*
Game over ex. You lost all your rings.
~gear-metal-sonic
Hell anyone who played Sonic Unleashed would know Amy loves Sonic for his free spirit... *Facepalm* and still... no Sally Acorn.
Not sure if Executioner troll, or just Amy Rose whining about being worthless.
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do not argue of fake things.
stay away from 29584, the code of war!
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wow ex. Sonic unleashed? I beat that and Amy never said that, or are you refering to the non canon cinima where sonic becomes her boyfriend? I've only heard about it, i never got it to go off. Because noncanon material doesn't count remember? As for your game informer argument, you're funny. I have played and at minimum beaten all sonic games to date with the "final" story, the only one i didn't enjoy was heros, it felt too forced. Not really "sonic" like you could have jammed Yoshi for speed, Mario for power, and peach for flight, and it would have felt the same. Your argument is getting weaker and weaker. it's time to admit you're wrong. You don't have to like Sal, just admit she's not a Mary sue and you don't actually know shit about her or the sonic universe.
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Also lol @ citing Game Informer as credible anything. They frikken called Ghiranim a chick for at least two months straight.
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maybe he saw he has FAILED soo much he could not respond!!!!!
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@SIntime: Too many insane sally fanatics huh?
@thread in general: *Facepalm* I've replayed Sonic Spinball and covered every inch, where the fuck is Sally?
@Anon 44: I played that game a lot also, not only is it shittier then ANY recently made sonic game (Even counting 2000, seriously it doesnt even act like a Sonic game or a pinball game and I've PLAYED REAL PINBALL MACHINES) it DOESNT HAVE SALLY ACORN.
not only is it shi**ier then ANY recently made sonic game it DOESNT HAVE SALLY ACORN.
THE LOVE CHILD OF PAUL AND AMY IS NOT SALLY ACORN!
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God-fucking-damn Sally can spur some hot blood. How about this: How about you all stop bitching and start fapping? It feels better and leaves less of a mess.
I agree that Sally fans have rushed up to protect her but she is in NO way (except some little things) a Mary Sue!
Also, I hate Sally but she is NOT a Mary Sue!
And stop refering to Amy halfway (or before) between your arguements! It`s like your trying to turn Sally Lovers into Amy loving Sally hating people, i don`t mind you talking about Amy but STOP REFERING SALLY`S BAD POINTS (either opinon or real) TO HER!!
The Faceless Ones are the only Gods!
according to ex, the maintraits that make sally a mary sue are that she is the main character's love interest, that she is princess/important person, and that other characters heel face turn because of her.
in the first instance: princess peach, lois lane, talia al gual, catwoman, roll casket ((kinda.. i guess)) alia, layer, ceil, the list goes on. i'm not bothering to list every love intrest ever in every story.
point 2: again peach, lois lane, talia al gual, ceil ((leader of resistance in MMZ)) alia ((navigator)) roll casket ((she built megaman's armor and buster in legends))
point 3: talia al gual ((makes rahs heel face whenever he tries to kill batman)) ceil ((reporter chick in MMZ4)) peach ((made bowser heel face turn, 3 times.))
i guess they're all mary sues. ok so let's take this as is EVERY COMIC BOOK LOVE INTEREST IS A MARY SUE.
problem. fucking. solved.
now can you all shut the fuck up and leave sal alone?
((and by all i actually mean executioner))
Stop wasting perfectly good masterbating time arguing!
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