Rat: That can be said about all artists.
Everyone knows that the facial features, hair and clothes are the most important things to intentify characters with, especially in fan made art!
If faces would still be allowed to be shown (just hair and clothes removed) I could probably pick out most of them correctly, as long as they were characters I was familiar with.
jackrabbit: Could you pick them out by faces if you weren't already familiar with zimmerman's "portrayal" of those characters? Say if you knew the char but had never seen zimmerman before and there was nothing obvious like a costume and distinct hairstyle, would you know who it was supposed to be?
Rat: No I most likely wouldn't, just like I wouldn't for any other artist that draws using their own style instead of copying the original styles from the cartoons, videogames or whatever they are drawing fanart of.
jackrabbit: It is true that many artists enhance the chars, but most are still easily recognizable as the char. Without relying on the costume. The ones that don't suck as much as zimmerman as a character artist.
If they don't look anything like the character, what is the point of using the character? Why not just Generic Bimbo #435?
Rat: The fact of the matter is that if you remove the characteristics of a character, nobody would recognize the character no matter who drew it.
The characteristics are what makes the characters who they are, so of course no one would recognize a character if all the things about the character that made them special was removed.
But that has nothing to do with Zimmerman's art because he always adds those things that make the characters who they are, the only thing he changes (in some of them, some already have it by default) is to make them more curvy and pin-uppy to make them better suited for the style of pin-up 34 that he makes.
jackrabbit: As another example, look at Bonnie in this pic. Without the cheerleader costume, even keeping the hair intact, would you know this was Bonnie if she was in a frame by herself and you had never seen zimmerman before? Would you have a clue?
anomalous: I agree with you Rat. Personally, I prefer when artists draw characters as close to canon as possible. Zimmerman seems to start with a voluptuous body and applies distinguishing characterisics, rather than taking the canonical body into consideration. That isn't really good or bad, it's just his style. Jesus Christ, I done got myself into an internet argument.
jackrabbit: I didn't say to remove all the characteristics of a char. I said to keep the facial features. If MrJ drew Kim naked, without props, with bigger tits, and with a swim cap over her hair, you would still know it was Kim. With Zimmerman you wouldn't have a clue. The hair is the only way you can identify her as Kim.
Rat: So you think artists that use their own styles suck and are bad artists because they don't use the characters original styles so you can't recognize them when they go bald and naked?
Yeah that's a really valid reason to call an artist bad and saying that his/her art sucks... NOT!
Rat: No, I most likely wouldn't recognize Bonnie without the things that make her special when she's drawn with a different style than her original one from the show.
That being said, Zimmerman makes pin-up art of known characters using his own unique drawing style, Mr.J makes normal porn art of known characters using their original drawing styles.
They're not aiming fo the same goals so they can't be compared that way.
jackrabbit: The point of this site is the characters. If zimmerman is acceptable, then so is a live model wearing a Kim Possible costume and wig. Or for that matter, John McCain wearing a Kim Possible costume and wig.
I think zimmerman is a good artist, and often his art is hot enough for me to bust a nut over.. At least he doesn't draw them morbidly obese, goatse'ing vag/anus, skatfesting or other kinds of horror. unlike a certain the Fear and others..
DajO: Perhaps, but i still prefer zimmerman to most other.. I guess i just like that body type. Though, i do think that zimmerman isn't as creative as he used to be. But what can one expect when the man has made over 10000 pictures?
anomalous: We already understand that Zimmerman has from piece to piece a very similar body style. Clearly, you find fault with that, but it doesn't change the fact that people find his work appealing. Hell, I don't care for his stuff myself, for the same reasons you're arguing. But it's a pointless argument that I doubt will make Zimmerman draw in a different style. This thread is already TLDR.
jackrabbit: I don't find fault with a very similar body style, but that the body style has no relation to that of the character it is supposed to be. More importantly, that the *face* has no relation to that of the character.
Ten thousand pics is the whole issue. Or rather, the same pic ten thousand times. Over two thousand of them are here. Don't we have problems with disk space and bandwidth already? I thought the idea of the site was to represent all of the *different* characters and things that there is porn of. Yes, yes, there is a glut for certain shows/chars, while others are barely represented, but at least most of the pics are *different* from one another.
I don't expect zimmerman to draw in a different style, any more than I expect mcdonald's to make hamburgers differently than they did decades ago. What I question is why such a huge number of the pics have to be replicated *here*, and on WWOEC and other places, when there are so many repositories dedicated to zimmerman work.
Rat: and asking that question shows you don't grasp what this site is for
Zimmerman's art is in majority valid 34, thus it's more than welcome to stay and be hosted here no matter how many other places hosts it
if it exists, paheal will eventually have it hosted, and Zimmerman's art is appreciated by a lot of people on paheal so it's opnly good the more of his stuff we get here, just like all other awesome 34
jackrabbit: By all means, consume *all* of the site's disk space with repetitive shit, so that there is no place for any of the *other* stuff that is valid 34.
Rat: not repetitive shit, awesome valid 34 made by one of the best pin-up 34 artists in the world, it's hard to find better use of disc space then that
jackrabbit: I don't dispute that there are other artists that are as off model as zimmerman and have as little variety. But most of them don't have 2220+ pics cluttering up the site.
Anonymous2(1): Zimmerman can draw, yes. But the faces, the style of drawing and the fact that THERE ARE BETTER ARTISTS on the internet... I'm not a fan, but he does do good drawings.
Rat: You have to put it in perspective, Zimmerman's pictures are less than 1% of the total and they are scattered all over the place, and his images aren't big and heavy when it comes to filesize unlike most other images either so in discspace it takes nowhere near 1% of the total space used for images, and images aren't even what takes up the most space on the discs! "cluttering up the site" attractive and successful African prease
jackrabbit: Think about what you are saying. 1% of the pics, 1 in every 100, is taken up by JUST ONE ARTIST questionably portraying a limited number of rule 34 subjects.
What does "scattered all over the place" have to do with anything? All images are scattered all over the place. Only tag search can organize them.
If images don't take up most of the space, why do only uploads stop when the disk gets full? If comments take up more space (hard to believe when so many images don't have any), shouldn't they halt instead?
Anonymous5: tl;dr all of the argument, just some valid points on both sides. I am interested in zimmermans art but not a fan. personally, i wish i didn't have to click through every page of a particular 34 to find non zimmerman posts. same with 'the fear' except he deliberately draws like shit and no one knows why.
Krawczyk: Thar be sum epic namefaggotry in dis heyur thread anonymous. We need your help! *Uncle Sam pose* To eliminate namefaggotry arguments.
also, pl0x takes up an obscene amount more space, jacko. Just uh...look at the Riesz tag. Yay silly japs and their lazy high-quality 'variants'
And yay pl0x's love of the upload butan.
Anonymous7: Im sorry but jackrabbit seems to be an idiot zimmerman only has about 2800 pics if you dont want to take up space delete the pokemans shit theres like 15000 of that stuff,namefag
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Take any hundred zimmerman pics, blot out the hair and costume, leaving only the face and body, and tell me who each girl is supposed to be.
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Everyone knows that the facial features, hair and clothes are the most important things to intentify characters with, especially in fan made art!
If faces would still be allowed to be shown (just hair and clothes removed) I could probably pick out most of them correctly, as long as they were characters I was familiar with.
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Without the boots and gloves, if you just walked in off the street and saw this pic, would you have any idea who it was?
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If they don't look anything like the character, what is the point of using the character? Why not just Generic Bimbo #435?
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The characteristics are what makes the characters who they are, so of course no one would recognize a character if all the things about the character that made them special was removed.
But that has nothing to do with Zimmerman's art because he always adds those things that make the characters who they are, the only thing he changes (in some of them, some already have it by default) is to make them more curvy and pin-uppy to make them better suited for the style of pin-up 34 that he makes.
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Yeah that's a really valid reason to call an artist bad and saying that his/her art sucks... NOT!
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I ask again, would you know that the character above was Bonnie without Kim in the frame and dressed in street clothes?
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That being said, Zimmerman makes pin-up art of known characters using his own unique drawing style, Mr.J makes normal porn art of known characters using their original drawing styles.
They're not aiming fo the same goals so they can't be compared that way.
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I think zimmerman is a good artist, and often his art is hot enough for me to bust a nut over.. At least he doesn't draw them morbidly obese, goatse'ing vag/anus, skatfesting or other kinds of horror. unlike a certain the Fear and others..
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"At least he doesn't draw them morbidly obese"
I agree that he is not as far off model as some. And Neptune is not as far away from the Sun as Pluto. But neither are particularly close.
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Ten thousand pics is the whole issue. Or rather, the same pic ten thousand times. Over two thousand of them are here. Don't we have problems with disk space and bandwidth already? I thought the idea of the site was to represent all of the *different* characters and things that there is porn of. Yes, yes, there is a glut for certain shows/chars, while others are barely represented, but at least most of the pics are *different* from one another.
I don't expect zimmerman to draw in a different style, any more than I expect mcdonald's to make hamburgers differently than they did decades ago. What I question is why such a huge number of the pics have to be replicated *here*, and on WWOEC and other places, when there are so many repositories dedicated to zimmerman work.
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What is the definition of "we"?
So if you want it here, and this is to be another zimmerman-infested site, why haven't you posted the other 8000 pics?
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if you don't like it just don't waste your own time like an idiot looking at it
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Zimmerman's art is in majority valid 34, thus it's more than welcome to stay and be hosted here no matter how many other places hosts it
if it exists, paheal will eventually have it hosted, and Zimmerman's art is appreciated by a lot of people on paheal so it's opnly good the more of his stuff we get here, just like all other awesome 34
long story short: UPLOAD MORE ZIMMERMAN!
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What does "scattered all over the place" have to do with anything? All images are scattered all over the place. Only tag search can organize them.
If images don't take up most of the space, why do only uploads stop when the disk gets full? If comments take up more space (hard to believe when so many images don't have any), shouldn't they halt instead?
Everything above is line = shitstorm.
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Everything between lines = irrelevant
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also, pl0x takes up an obscene amount more space, jacko. Just uh...look at the Riesz tag. Yay silly japs and their lazy high-quality 'variants'
And yay pl0x's love of the upload butan.
Second, Anon is no personal army. SO STFU AND FAP OR GTFO!